Discussion
1. A friend came over last night and was telling me that he had heard of someone driving his Subaru Impreza getting busted for speeding. Nothing new there then. But he was done because the police happened to be looking at data from his tracker which was telling the police he was doing 140 ish. (NB this was on a motorway at 3am).ie his own tracker shopped him. Has anyone else heard this, or similar? Or is it not possible?
2. Why don't the government just have done with it and make all new cars come with gps systems so that everyones speed is always monitered and therefore...
a) The government would earn extra tax on the added price of the car. I'm sure they wouldn't object to another stealth tax.
b) The government would earn about 3 zillion pounds in revenue on day one from fines. Again, they would love that.
c) Could divert police from hanging around in bushes to catching real criminals.
d) We would all be saved from ourselves 'cos we would mostly all be banned on day 1.
etc etc.
But seriously why don't the government just make it law that all new cars have to have this system if going over the speed limit now and again is so bad?
2. Why don't the government just have done with it and make all new cars come with gps systems so that everyones speed is always monitered and therefore...
a) The government would earn extra tax on the added price of the car. I'm sure they wouldn't object to another stealth tax.
b) The government would earn about 3 zillion pounds in revenue on day one from fines. Again, they would love that.
c) Could divert police from hanging around in bushes to catching real criminals.
d) We would all be saved from ourselves 'cos we would mostly all be banned on day 1.
etc etc.
But seriously why don't the government just make it law that all new cars have to have this system if going over the speed limit now and again is so bad?
because the police happened to be looking at data from his tracker which was telling the police he was doing
If this is true (and not a wind up by plod) there are a number of issues that need to be addressed, but the one that is most important (to my mind) is WHY were they monitoring HIS tracker.MoJo.
If this is true (and not a wind up by plod) there are a number of issues that need to be addressed, but the one that is most important (to my mind) is WHY were they monitoring HIS tracker.MoJo.
This doesn't make any sense. AFAIK the Tracker beacon is only activated if you report your car stolen or if it detects unauthorised movement (ie: your alarm has been triggered and the car is moving or whatever). Thus unless he had reported the car stolen or his alarm / tracker was faulty, the beacon should not be broadcasting from his car and hence be interceptable.
Think about it. Trackers must belt out a fairly hefty signal seeing as they are a small box with no external antenna buried somewhere under the back seat of your car or wherever. If they broadcast all the time the battery would be goosed in no time at all...
Roop - possibly talking bolx
Think about it. Trackers must belt out a fairly hefty signal seeing as they are a small box with no external antenna buried somewhere under the back seat of your car or wherever. If they broadcast all the time the battery would be goosed in no time at all...
Roop - possibly talking bolx
I think you are right (that it is just chinese whispers etc), and sincerely hope so.
I'm not sure how trackers work though really. Surely they're always 'on' while the car is moving and run on (seperate) battery power while the engine is off?
So in effect could not what I described actually happen?
I'm not sure how trackers work though really. Surely they're always 'on' while the car is moving and run on (seperate) battery power while the engine is off?
So in effect could not what I described actually happen?
I think you are right (that it is just chinese whispers etc), and sincerely hope so.
I'm not sure how trackers work though really. Surely they're always 'on' while the car is moving and run on (separate?) battery power while the engine is off?
So in effect could not what I described actually happen?
I'm not sure how trackers work though really. Surely they're always 'on' while the car is moving and run on (separate?) battery power while the engine is off?
So in effect could not what I described actually happen?
Mercs have a clever little black box in them wot tell the cars history - how fast, how much, how high, what colour etc.
The police would need a laptop and relevant software, and then, have to link the date/time of the alleged offence to being in an area that the offence was relevant.
150mph is not illegal on a race track...
17mpg is a bit naff for a 500slk etc
Trackers - don't make me giggle. They're just little bits of plastic that bleep...
The police would need a laptop and relevant software, and then, have to link the date/time of the alleged offence to being in an area that the offence was relevant.
150mph is not illegal on a race track...
17mpg is a bit naff for a 500slk etc
Trackers - don't make me giggle. They're just little bits of plastic that bleep...
I think your friend was winding you up. As somebody has said, a tracker isn't activated until a reference number has been passed by the Police. Even, then I'm not aware of any method of ascertaining the speed the vehicle had been travelling at.
Maybe the Tracker HQ would have GPS read out (assuming the higher spec system was fitted) but the info would be protected by data protection, meaning the Police would need a geniune reason to request the information, it wouldn't be given just like that.
Perhaps he meant one of those GPS camera detectors that shows and logs the max speed achieved. Even then would be nigh on impossible to prove who had been driving the car at the time the speed was achieved, even if a Section 172 notice had been served.
Regards
>> Edited by relaxitscool on Sunday 16th March 17:22
Maybe the Tracker HQ would have GPS read out (assuming the higher spec system was fitted) but the info would be protected by data protection, meaning the Police would need a geniune reason to request the information, it wouldn't be given just like that.
Perhaps he meant one of those GPS camera detectors that shows and logs the max speed achieved. Even then would be nigh on impossible to prove who had been driving the car at the time the speed was achieved, even if a Section 172 notice had been served.
Regards
>> Edited by relaxitscool on Sunday 16th March 17:22
Regardless of the technology, there is a little something called the Data Protection Act (I think it is now 2002 by the way!). The Police (and almost everyone else) have no direct right to the data. If it was technically stored somewhere, either in the car or the tracker operator, it would be YOUR data and not public access.... for the police to gain access to it, it is my understanding that they have to meet something like the following:
1) Get a court order / warrant
2) Be suspected of terrorism - but thats for anything these days
3) Be involved in something where the threat of a serious crime is about to be committed
Without one of these, they cant touch the data. If they do - sue their arses off......Sorry Madcop - but it is a law to prevent abuse and for all of its bad parts, it does have some good ones.... For example, a Policeman cannot simply stroll into your house to check out if you have any porn on your PC, neither can he download information on how fast your car went today....
Cheers,
Paul
1) Get a court order / warrant
2) Be suspected of terrorism - but thats for anything these days
3) Be involved in something where the threat of a serious crime is about to be committed
Without one of these, they cant touch the data. If they do - sue their arses off......Sorry Madcop - but it is a law to prevent abuse and for all of its bad parts, it does have some good ones.... For example, a Policeman cannot simply stroll into your house to check out if you have any porn on your PC, neither can he download information on how fast your car went today....
Cheers,
Paul
pbrettle said: Regardless of the technology, there is a little something called the Data Protection Act (I think it is now 2002 by the way!). The Police (and almost everyone else) have no direct right to the data. If it was technically stored somewhere, either in the car or the tracker operator, it would be YOUR data and not public access.... for the police to gain access to it, it is my understanding that they have to meet something like the following:
1) Get a court order / warrant
2) Be suspected of terrorism - but thats for anything these days
3) Be involved in something where the threat of a serious crime is about to be committed
Without one of these, they cant touch the data. If they do - sue their arses off......Sorry Madcop - but it is a law to prevent abuse and for all of its bad parts, it does have some good ones.... For example, a Policeman cannot simply stroll into your house to check out if you have any porn on your PC, neither can he download information on how fast your car went today....
Cheers,
Paul
Well thats that then, speeding is such a serious crime these days 
But seriously why don't the government just make it law that all new cars have to have this system if going over the speed limit now and again is so bad?
DON'T even think about going down that route!! Otherwise the gruniad reading do-gooder lefty swine will make us all drive Trabants in a "DDR" type state excepting of course Fatty 2Jags and other such two-faced, forked-tongued labour scum!!!
JMGS4 said:
But seriously why don't the government just make it law that all new cars have to have this system if going over the speed limit now and again is so bad?
DON'T even think about going down that route!! Otherwise the gruniad reading do-gooder lefty swine will make us all drive Trabants in a "DDR" type state excepting of course Fatty 2Jags and other such two-faced, forked-tongued labour scum!!!
Very nicely put!
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