RE: Ford helps Plod
Tuesday 7th November 2006
A vanFord vehicle security experts recently partnered the Metropolitan Police's motor vehicle crime squad and produced immediate results on a four-week decoy operation in East London.
Ford helps plod
Baited cars left at ExCel
A van
Two cars were supplied by Ford's technical centre, at Dunton, in Essex, and parked at the ExCel exhibition centre. The Ford Focus and Ford Mondeo were left in prominent positions with equipment such as sat nav devices and mobile phones in view.
When thieves struck, they were caught out by the covert operation which traced criminals' movements and led police to them. Over 25 arrests followed and vehicle crime slumped by 18 per cent in the ExCel area.
Peter Hyam, Ford vehicle security engineer, said: "This was real-life testing of our vehicles' security systems, which helped to confirm how Ford cars resist break in attacks. The Metropolitan Police benefited from new additions to their armoury in the fight against vehicle crime."
Sgt Andy Richardson, of the Metropolitan Police's motor vehicle crime squad in Stratford, said: "We worked with Ford and a glass replacement company on this highly successful operation to crack down on illegal behaviour against ExCel visitors and local residents. Plans are already underway for a similar collaboration elsewhere in East London."
Discussion
...Now the motorist, that's another matter, they're 'Public Enemy Number One'...milk them for all they're worth...scum of the earth 
Makes you wonder why they don't do this in loads of other areas (the police that is). For the cost of a deal with Autoglass and the purchase of a £150 sat nav, you can get 35 people arrested and cut car crime in that area by 18%?? Sounds like a no-brainer to me.
Come to think of it - why have the cops not done that themselves before now??
Come to think of it - why have the cops not done that themselves before now??
I like this idea. After some moron wrote off my car in order to get £80 worth of CD player, I'm all for it. Maybe I should put my own sting operation in place... leave a few goodies in the old car, baseball bat by the front door... Much better than leaving it to the half measures of the courts. Plod must get really hacked off that so much work goes into catching these idiots and so often they end up with such pathetic sentences.
fatboy b said:
I wholeheartedly agree with this sort of thing, but isn't it really entrapment?
I wouldn't think so as long as nothing about the vehicle directly says "please break in", and there are no undercover cops walking around the street encouraging people to break in to the vehicle.
I think it's a great idea and wish them the best of success in future similar ventures.
Yes but it entraps the right people. Ask yourself if you walked
past a car that had a window slightly open and a phone on the seat
would you steal it? I suspect for most people you wouldn't dream
of taking it so these op's target the ones who would anyway.
If that makes any sense ?
Col
past a car that had a window slightly open and a phone on the seat
would you steal it? I suspect for most people you wouldn't dream
of taking it so these op's target the ones who would anyway.
If that makes any sense ?
Col
fatboy b said:
I wholeheartedly agree with this sort of thing, but isn't it really entrapment?
It is not a Colin Stagg type of entrapment; they aren't being told to engage in fantasy by a police officer. They see something that doesn't belong to them and they want to have it.
The more of this type of thing the better, especially if it makes a scrote think they might be subject to a sting operation any time, any place & anywhere
voltdropper said:
Police forces have been doing this for years in the UK. Sensibly they have kept it quiet. Why would you want to tell the crooks how you operate against them?
So that they don't do it. People tend to break laws less if they think there is a fair chance they'll be caught.
Its not Entrapment. Entrapment would be when someone who isnt about to commit a crime is enticed to do it by the police - for instance, a Policewoman acting as a prostitute cant say 'fancy a shag love - £50' to someone on the street, but if someone comes up to her and says 'you doing business darling... how much?', then they are nicked.....
Having Satnav on display in a car isn't an enticement to steal or commit crime, so if some East London smackhead chav throws a brick through the side window and nicks the cars contents, thats not entrapment, whether the car was supplied by the police or not.
Having Satnav on display in a car isn't an enticement to steal or commit crime, so if some East London smackhead chav throws a brick through the side window and nicks the cars contents, thats not entrapment, whether the car was supplied by the police or not.
DanH said:
voltdropper said:
Police forces have been doing this for years in the UK. Sensibly they have kept it quiet. Why would you want to tell the crooks how you operate against them?
So that they don't do it. People tend to break laws less if they think there is a fair chance they'll be caught.
Nah, thats a load of tosh. Approx 95% of UK citizens are basically honest and would not steal even if they knew they could get away with it. The other 5% will steal because they do not have the same sence of decentcy or honesty. They will still steal, but will move on elsewhere to do it, they will not be put off.
The problem is.
1/ As already stated, when they get to court they are smacked on the wrist, well not literaly as this would be seen as assault and they would want to prosecute the slapper, and the way our courts work they would get compensation!!!!!
2/ Watching the television lately, there was a programme that did simular to what these have done, actually bugging and filming the criminals trying to smash a bullit proof window!! they succeded in breaking in and stealing a lap top. ... the result. let off by the courts, even tho they had records longer than both arms!!!
The way I see it all scroats and scumbags who are guilty of car crime and other such totally uncivil behaveure should go in the stocks in the town centre and have rubbish, crap, urine, dog turds, thrown at them, Perhaps when car crime is associated with coming home stinking of sewers, and being the laughing stock of his so called peers, this sort of crime may dissapear in to obscurity. O and if they do it again,,, shot them...
1/ As already stated, when they get to court they are smacked on the wrist, well not literaly as this would be seen as assault and they would want to prosecute the slapper, and the way our courts work they would get compensation!!!!!
2/ Watching the television lately, there was a programme that did simular to what these have done, actually bugging and filming the criminals trying to smash a bullit proof window!! they succeded in breaking in and stealing a lap top. ... the result. let off by the courts, even tho they had records longer than both arms!!!
The way I see it all scroats and scumbags who are guilty of car crime and other such totally uncivil behaveure should go in the stocks in the town centre and have rubbish, crap, urine, dog turds, thrown at them, Perhaps when car crime is associated with coming home stinking of sewers, and being the laughing stock of his so called peers, this sort of crime may dissapear in to obscurity. O and if they do it again,,, shot them...
Edited by andy.shent on Tuesday 7th November 15:02
Edited by andy.shent on Tuesday 7th November 15:03
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