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The moral ground was that during Kosovo, there was actually a reason to goto war. The evidence was the smell of thousands of burning bodies., recently killed.
No one with any intelligence believes the web of shit spun by Blair and Bush.
We all know the real reason and if they were more honest about it perhaps would accept it more than they have.
Our soldiers are risking their lives so that some mullet haired red-neck in a shitty pickup can get his gas for a dollar a gallon. We still pay £3.30
Arseholes.
No one with any intelligence believes the web of shit spun by Blair and Bush.
We all know the real reason and if they were more honest about it perhaps would accept it more than they have.
Our soldiers are risking their lives so that some mullet haired red-neck in a shitty pickup can get his gas for a dollar a gallon. We still pay £3.30
Arseholes.
petepeter said: No one with any intelligence believes the web of shit spun by Blair and Bush.
We all know the real reason and if they were more honest about it perhaps would accept it more than they have.
Our soldiers are risking their lives so that some mullet haired red-neck in a shitty pickup can get his gas for a dollar a gallon. We still pay £3.30
Arseholes.
lotusguy! lotusguy! looootussssguyyyy! where are you?Or you could just ask me...
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM SOME PEOPLE HAVE WITH DISPOSING OF THIS MADMAN!?!?!
He gasses his own people, laughs at our attempts at diplomacy, develops forbidden weapons that can only be for agressive uses, he randomly executes his own staff, he's blatantly unstable and he wants nukes.
Where is the problem with going to war? Anyone who can't see this man is toying with the west and mocking us is blind and/or stupid.
Just the other day it was reported that Saddam made an example of a random member of his staff by tying him to a post, cutting his tongue out and allowing him to bleed to death. He did this to discourage key figures trying to leave.
I DO NOT WANT THIS MAN GETTING HIS HANDS ON ANY WEAPONS, he's not safe with a butter knife let alone WMD.
:letsoffsteamforamoment:
Right: I'm off to tear down the anti-war posters all over campus.
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM SOME PEOPLE HAVE WITH DISPOSING OF THIS MADMAN!?!?! He gasses his own people, laughs at our attempts at diplomacy, develops forbidden weapons that can only be for agressive uses, he randomly executes his own staff, he's blatantly unstable and he wants nukes.
Where is the problem with going to war? Anyone who can't see this man is toying with the west and mocking us is blind and/or stupid.
Just the other day it was reported that Saddam made an example of a random member of his staff by tying him to a post, cutting his tongue out and allowing him to bleed to death. He did this to discourage key figures trying to leave.
I DO NOT WANT THIS MAN GETTING HIS HANDS ON ANY WEAPONS, he's not safe with a butter knife let alone WMD.
:letsoffsteamforamoment:
Right: I'm off to tear down the anti-war posters all over campus.
P*Ting said:Right: I'm off to tear down the anti-war posters all over campus.
Ah, so its not just my uni that is plastered in these then? I find it slightly patronising being told that most people don't want a war. Of course, people (myself included) don't want a war but I think it is the only way of removing a lunatic from power.
I think tomorrows task will be to join you in your mission of disposing of these posters..
I agree, get rid of him. He's a bloody dangerous menace. It's got f*** all to do with the oil fields. While we're at it send in the human shields and bomb them as well. What is it with these demonstrators? They P*** me off. Who gave them the right to demonstrate, the poor guys who gave up their lives in 2 world wars, thats who! They are spineless do-gooders who wouldn't face an enemy with a gun. No, they soon came home to safe old blighty when it got a bit uncomfortable. Let them demonstrate against Saddam at one of his bases then we could get rid of the namby pambies. He'd execute them full stop, no questions or trial just dead. It's one thing to have idealistic views and that's very nice, admirable in fact but against a nutter you have to be a realist (law of the jungle). Oh, we should have been nice to Adolph or should we have been. Get rid of them!
Pting, exactly where did you get all this information from???
The daily mail??Sky news??You sound like a SUN reader, or worse still Donald Rumsfeld.
for gods sake grow up and look at the bigger picture will you.
Just because some of us can see through the propaganda, doesnt mean we love Saddam Hussein.
The tedious "your'e with us or your'e against us" argument stinks and its just there to stop people thinking.
In fact one if the reasons Im so suspect of this war is the fact that if it was all about removing Saddam, we could have done many times by now. There have been several live broadcasts from Saddam and public appearances. all it would take is a satellite tracking him and a couple of well aimed cruise missiles to hit convoy//palace government building.
Ive heard so much from military associates on how possible it would have been to do this. (remember the bomb through window stories that got all the action junkies jerking off over News at Ten).
No instead, why not flatten the country, take hold of the oilfields (although of course we are doing it in the name of the Iraqi people..i.e. U.S gets oil on the cheap (not us)) then sell off the re-building contracts to the huge list of U.S. building and logistics companies waiting to roll in.
Since 9/11 Bush has somehow managed to make anyone who even questions U.S. policy be seen as supporting terrorism , or as an appeaser, or as weak.
Actually we are intelligent. and fair. That is why I am proud that so many Brits are happy to not to support this war because they know it is wrong.
The daily mail??Sky news??You sound like a SUN reader, or worse still Donald Rumsfeld.
for gods sake grow up and look at the bigger picture will you.
Just because some of us can see through the propaganda, doesnt mean we love Saddam Hussein.
The tedious "your'e with us or your'e against us" argument stinks and its just there to stop people thinking.
In fact one if the reasons Im so suspect of this war is the fact that if it was all about removing Saddam, we could have done many times by now. There have been several live broadcasts from Saddam and public appearances. all it would take is a satellite tracking him and a couple of well aimed cruise missiles to hit convoy//palace government building.
Ive heard so much from military associates on how possible it would have been to do this. (remember the bomb through window stories that got all the action junkies jerking off over News at Ten).
No instead, why not flatten the country, take hold of the oilfields (although of course we are doing it in the name of the Iraqi people..i.e. U.S gets oil on the cheap (not us)) then sell off the re-building contracts to the huge list of U.S. building and logistics companies waiting to roll in.
Since 9/11 Bush has somehow managed to make anyone who even questions U.S. policy be seen as supporting terrorism , or as an appeaser, or as weak.
Actually we are intelligent. and fair. That is why I am proud that so many Brits are happy to not to support this war because they know it is wrong.
I've mentioned on other forums that I don't think that I have enough information to make any sort of informed decision on whether we should go to war or not, and got shot down - so in my usual style, I'll try again 
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Billy has trotted out a number of reasons to go in, but hasn't backed any of them, and as soon as he is challenged, then he changes his story.
So, if it is oil, say it is oil. If it is the moral case say this and stick to it.
If however it is WMD, then shouldn't we have more than just an uneasy feeling to justify war. Afterall, if we knew that he had them, wouldn't we have tiped the inspectors off by now?
It is concerning that we can ignore the views of Europe and the UN without any sound basis. Sure, we need to protect sources etc, but there is nothing stopping the inspectors from randomly turning up in the right place.
I do admire B. Liar for sticking to his guns, I just don't think that he deserves support when he won't tell us what we are supporting.
I'm not the biggest fan of the French, but the biggest arguement against their stance is that they should be doing what America tells them. Not good enough guys.
. Billy has trotted out a number of reasons to go in, but hasn't backed any of them, and as soon as he is challenged, then he changes his story.
So, if it is oil, say it is oil. If it is the moral case say this and stick to it.
If however it is WMD, then shouldn't we have more than just an uneasy feeling to justify war. Afterall, if we knew that he had them, wouldn't we have tiped the inspectors off by now?
It is concerning that we can ignore the views of Europe and the UN without any sound basis. Sure, we need to protect sources etc, but there is nothing stopping the inspectors from randomly turning up in the right place.
I do admire B. Liar for sticking to his guns, I just don't think that he deserves support when he won't tell us what we are supporting.
I'm not the biggest fan of the French, but the biggest arguement against their stance is that they should be doing what America tells them. Not good enough guys.
What about the rumour of the "rebuilding Iraq" contracts after the 'war' (read act of global terrorism) being tendered only to american civil engineering/building contractors....?
This whole episode stinks in my opinion - i understand what the pro-war people are getting at, but i don't think the good people of the world and Bush are on the same side - yes, you'll both end up with Saddam gone, but at what price????
Cant help thinking its all a big cover up for something - america's knackered economy? A swipe at Saddam by GW for having a go at his daddy? Who knows, but please don't fool yourself into thinking anyone is in this for the "good of the world"
Unfortunately.........
This whole episode stinks in my opinion - i understand what the pro-war people are getting at, but i don't think the good people of the world and Bush are on the same side - yes, you'll both end up with Saddam gone, but at what price????
Cant help thinking its all a big cover up for something - america's knackered economy? A swipe at Saddam by GW for having a go at his daddy? Who knows, but please don't fool yourself into thinking anyone is in this for the "good of the world"
Unfortunately.........
In california gas is now at 1.40GBP for a US gallon, or about 35 pence per liter. Oh yeah, and it doubled in the last 6 months from war stuff and Venezuela.
At least on peoples cars over here, the bumper stickers seem to be about 50:50 for/against war. In particular people are feeling the pressure of the "if you're not with the president you're not a patriot" argument. I saw a "peace is patriotic" sticker this morning.
important link
At least on peoples cars over here, the bumper stickers seem to be about 50:50 for/against war. In particular people are feeling the pressure of the "if you're not with the president you're not a patriot" argument. I saw a "peace is patriotic" sticker this morning.
important link
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