Community Speed Checks
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I drove through one of these this morning. Basicly a bunch of villagers with reflective jackets and a 'speed camera'.
I was rather confused that the radar\laser detector on my origin did not respond (he clearly pointed the camer straight at me) and the lc10 jammer also apparently did not work.
One explanation is that they forgot to turn the speed camera on
On a serious note does anybody know what this is all about?
I was rather confused that the radar\laser detector on my origin did not respond (he clearly pointed the camer straight at me) and the lc10 jammer also apparently did not work.
One explanation is that they forgot to turn the speed camera on
On a serious note does anybody know what this is all about?
Not worth even worrying about!
from surrey police webby:
"By working with the police and local authorities, residents identify areas of concern and are given full support in setting up and managing a Community Speedwatch scheme in their neighbourhood. At least six volunteers, who contribute a minimum of an hour a week, are required to set up a Speedwatch scheme. All volunteers are provided with specific training on how to use the equipment, safe working procedures for using the speed detection equipment, how to monitor the speed of vehicles safely and advice on dealing with enquiries from other road users.
The volunteers work in pairs at an identified location selected by local communities in consultation with Surrey Police, provided they are within 30 mph and 40 mph limits. They record speeds of motorists in a log and offenders travelling at excess speeds will be identified from the data provided and sent a ‘yellow’ letter of advice which will also ask for their co-operation in the future.
A maximum of two warning letters, along with safety information, will be sent to offenders and if they are caught speeding again, they will be targeted for enforcement by police, where appropriate. The aim, however, is for the presence of the Speedwatch volunteers out on the streets to make drivers think twice about their driving habits and slow down."
from surrey police webby:
"By working with the police and local authorities, residents identify areas of concern and are given full support in setting up and managing a Community Speedwatch scheme in their neighbourhood. At least six volunteers, who contribute a minimum of an hour a week, are required to set up a Speedwatch scheme. All volunteers are provided with specific training on how to use the equipment, safe working procedures for using the speed detection equipment, how to monitor the speed of vehicles safely and advice on dealing with enquiries from other road users.
The volunteers work in pairs at an identified location selected by local communities in consultation with Surrey Police, provided they are within 30 mph and 40 mph limits. They record speeds of motorists in a log and offenders travelling at excess speeds will be identified from the data provided and sent a ‘yellow’ letter of advice which will also ask for their co-operation in the future.
A maximum of two warning letters, along with safety information, will be sent to offenders and if they are caught speeding again, they will be targeted for enforcement by police, where appropriate. The aim, however, is for the presence of the Speedwatch volunteers out on the streets to make drivers think twice about their driving habits and slow down."
There were too close to you for the Origin to work. At close distance the beam spread is minimal & if your Origin is windscreen mounted then it will not pick up the beam if the numpties fired at your no. plate.
Your "jammer" should have worked though!
As the light conditions can be poor at this time of year, xenons on full beam might be required to spot the potential hazard that the Hi-Viz wearing folk could be warning you about.
Your "jammer" should have worked though!
As the light conditions can be poor at this time of year, xenons on full beam might be required to spot the potential hazard that the Hi-Viz wearing folk could be warning you about.
Had a similar thing happen passing a school in Middlesbrough a couple of weeks back.
2 or 3 adults and a bunch of kids all in Hi-Vis jackets standing at the side of the road talking. As i got within 10 metres or so one of the kids turned around V. Quick...i went for the brakes thinking she was going to run out in front of the van.
Instead she pointed a speed gun at the van
I was on works time anyway, the chances of me getting caught speeding are less than Nil, it would only mean i get to the next job faster
2 or 3 adults and a bunch of kids all in Hi-Vis jackets standing at the side of the road talking. As i got within 10 metres or so one of the kids turned around V. Quick...i went for the brakes thinking she was going to run out in front of the van.
Instead she pointed a speed gun at the van
I was on works time anyway, the chances of me getting caught speeding are less than Nil, it would only mean i get to the next job faster
bad company said:
I drove through one of these this morning. Basicly a bunch of villagers with reflective jackets and a 'speed camera'.
I was rather confused that the radarlaser detector on my origin did not respond (he clearly pointed the camer straight at me) and the lc10 jammer also apparently did not work.
One explanation is that they forgot to turn the speed camera on
On a serious note does anybody know what this is all about?
I was rather confused that the radarlaser detector on my origin did not respond (he clearly pointed the camer straight at me) and the lc10 jammer also apparently did not work.
One explanation is that they forgot to turn the speed camera on
On a serious note does anybody know what this is all about?
He was probably holding the hairdryer the wrong way around.
I seriously fail to see why anyone would want to spend their time doing this other then those on a power-trip.
bad company said:
Yes perhaps I should have stopped.
I think the old bloke using the camera was the guy who tried to get a blanket 20 mph limit through the village. I objected and the application failed so I probably not all that popular with him & his cronies.
I think the old bloke using the camera was the guy who tried to get a blanket 20 mph limit through the village. I objected and the application failed so I probably not all that popular with him & his cronies.
One good reason why enforcement should be only in the hands on police und not these Nimby Ninnies.
But I think he either too close or aim too low for the origin to pick it up.
But .. tut.. you surely were not "speeding" through the village where you live
I would have stopped though .. und had some fun.. miaow!
Now, here's an idea.
Turn around and drive back through the check at or below the indicated speed limit. Note the time. Stop and ask to see the entry they just made against your name. Ask to see the previous entry.
Are they recording the speed correctly? (The most recently recorded speed should be less than indicated on your speedometer, or very close to that indicated by any GPS device you might have.)
Are they recording the speed of all vehicles, regardless? (They should be, they are no judge of speed, and there is no reason not to.)
If they mutter about "Data Protection", remind them that it is YOUR personal data and that you have a right to see it (they probably won't know about the formal procedures for Data Subject access). Tell them the Freedom of Information Act applies (it does, but the DPA is the real Act here).
In checking your speeds, look at the other speeds recorded. Try to make a note of the speeds and registration numbers. If they let you do this - even if they let you see other data than yours) they are in breach of the DPA. Although minor, this speaks to poor training or absorption of it. Either questions their ability to record speed and other data properly.
Note any other data they might be recording - make, model, colour, driver details (e.g. "Fred from the fish-shop", "That young erk in the noisy sports car", ideally - "That prat who's always speeding". They should only be recording what they're instructed to record. Anything they record is covered by the DPA.
Ask for the contact details of whomsoever is supervising the scheme. (There is no reason for them not to tell you.)
Using the force's normal procedures for this, make a Data Subject access request for your data. (There should be no reason to refuse disclosure.)
Using the force's normal procedures for this, make a FOI request regarding the TYPE of data that is collected.
If they comply with either or both requests, check that what you are told accords with what you observed.
If it doesn't ... blow the gaff.
Streaky
Turn around and drive back through the check at or below the indicated speed limit. Note the time. Stop and ask to see the entry they just made against your name. Ask to see the previous entry.
Are they recording the speed correctly? (The most recently recorded speed should be less than indicated on your speedometer, or very close to that indicated by any GPS device you might have.)
Are they recording the speed of all vehicles, regardless? (They should be, they are no judge of speed, and there is no reason not to.)
If they mutter about "Data Protection", remind them that it is YOUR personal data and that you have a right to see it (they probably won't know about the formal procedures for Data Subject access). Tell them the Freedom of Information Act applies (it does, but the DPA is the real Act here).
In checking your speeds, look at the other speeds recorded. Try to make a note of the speeds and registration numbers. If they let you do this - even if they let you see other data than yours) they are in breach of the DPA. Although minor, this speaks to poor training or absorption of it. Either questions their ability to record speed and other data properly.
Note any other data they might be recording - make, model, colour, driver details (e.g. "Fred from the fish-shop", "That young erk in the noisy sports car", ideally - "That prat who's always speeding"
. They should only be recording what they're instructed to record. Anything they record is covered by the DPA. Ask for the contact details of whomsoever is supervising the scheme. (There is no reason for them not to tell you.)
Using the force's normal procedures for this, make a Data Subject access request for your data. (There should be no reason to refuse disclosure.)
Using the force's normal procedures for this, make a FOI request regarding the TYPE of data that is collected.
If they comply with either or both requests, check that what you are told accords with what you observed.
If it doesn't ... blow the gaff.
Streaky
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