Best sub 1100cc engine?

[madleee]

Everyone goes on about no substitute for cc's, but you can have a helluva lot of fun with little engines too.
Some Jap cars have high revving turbocharged 600cc engines.

What is your favourite 'little lump'?

No doubt some will suggest 'A' Series Austin/Morris engine.

[AmenToThat]

I know its probably cheating as it wasnt originally designed as a car lump but......

GSXR 1000 engine, which i believe is 164bhp in its latest incarnation.

Im fully aware that this isnt the most 'practical' engine for a car and isnt really suitable for the overweight barges that seem to be the norm. It also wouldnt be an easy engine to live with for long drives...... BUT i think a drive in a LSIS or a mini (a proper one) with this engine would convince most people

[scissorhands83]

my 698 turbo in my smart can be re-mapped to 110bhp ish giving sub 6 0-60's

matt

[astec815]

rover k series, the engine in the smart cars..

[astec815]

scissorhands83 said:

my 698 turbo in my smart can be re-mapped to 110bhp ish giving sub 6 0-60's

matt

really? didnt think that the remaps would produce that sort of gain, arnt most smarts 10/11 secs to 60...?

[warren182]

Had a Mits Colt as a courtesy car, lovely little growling engine, mini impreza

[fwdracer]

You bought it upon yourself.....

A-series all the way......

Nearly 100bhp/litre in race form for 1.0 litre lump..... 8000+rpm!!!

[L100NYY]

warren182 said:

Had a Mits Colt as a courtesy car, lovely little growling engine, mini impreza

Funnily enough I had the joys of one of these over the weekend, 1.1 3 cyl lump that makes funny gargly noises!

Slower than a tortoise with arthritis though.

[scissorhands83]

astec815 said:

scissorhands83 said:

my 698 turbo in my smart can be re-mapped to 110bhp ish giving sub 6 0-60's

matt

really? didnt think that the remaps would produce that sort of gain, arnt most smarts 10/11 secs to 60...?

yeah they can do the evil twin re-maps and also by either winding the turbo on or installing a larger turbo this is possible, check on www.smartsrus.co.uk

i have to say i have no conections with this company other than i use them for serviceing and upgrdes

matt

[mondeohdear]

I test drove a Daihatsu Charade GTti years ago and that had a cracking little engine. 3 cylinder turbocharged 12v putting out 99hp from one litre. It had fantastic acceleration and had me grinning like a maniac at the end of the drive, how I wish I'd bought it.

[baSkey]

beaten to it - but gtti.

the 4wd subaru justy was only around 1.0. my mate's dad got one for his sister. it was great the exhaust broke and my mate and i went hoaning around the lanes listening to the 911 soundtrack!

[Marquis_Rex]

Alfa Sud Flat Four!

[L100NYY]

Marquis_Rex said:

Alfa Sud Flat Four!

[V8HSV]

scissorhands83 said:

my 698 turbo in my smart can be re-mapped to 110bhp ish giving sub 6 0-60's

matt

Belive the 110 BHP but not the sub 6 sec claim to 60 unless you are talking kilometers even with 157 bhp/litre?

Edited by V8HSV on Monday 20th November 15:01

[onomatopoeia]

I was talking about them on a different thread today, Hillman Imp engines. Lightweight, rev to blazes, over 120bhp properly tuned in 998cc versions.

[coopers]

V8HSV said:

scissorhands83 said:

my 698 turbo in my smart can be re-mapped to 110bhp ish giving sub 6 0-60's

matt

Belive the 110 BHP but not the sub 6 sec claim to 60 unless you are talking kilometers even with 183 bhp/litre?

Edited by V8HSV on Monday 20th November 14:15

yep, i think smartarse has pushed one out with 110bhp but the limiting factor really is that gearbox and i would be very suprised to see a 0 - 60 time that quick i think even the special ed 101 4/2 brabys are nearer 10 (9.8 secs )

[Road_Terrorist]

The Daihatsu CB70/80 3cylinder engine from the Charade GTti, was 1.0L DOHC 12v, semi forged pistons, made 100bhp/litre, so 99bhp, bump that to 135bhp just by a remap or changing the ECU to the DRS one. It could be made to punch out up to 178-180bhp without too much fuss, but any more than that and you will probably be saying goodbye Mr Gearbox soon after. They were going to put the engine in this little beast, mid engined RWD like a Renault 5 Turbo for Group B or S, but nothing came of it

Charade Detomaso 926R



Perhaps the daddy of the stock small engined cars is the Nissan MA09ERT, 930cc, SOHC, 8v, Supercharger and Turbocharger, 110bhp standard. Fitted in the Nissan March SuperTurbo, stock as a rock it would do 7.7seconds 0-60mph and 1/4mile in 15.5 seconds, which was fairly rapid for 1988.


But then there is the Honda City Turbo, affectionately known as the bulldog, essentially a Mugen car with the same 110bhp from it's old SOHC, 8v 1.2L intercooled turbo four. It weighed a featherweight 730kgs (690kgs in the early version) but with those puny tyres, FWD and no LSD it just couldn't put the power down, but it became a cult car anyway with a popular one make racing series. This is the later Turbo II version from the later 80s with pumped up guards.


Until recently there was still the Daihatsu Storia (Sirion) x4 rally homologation machine with an intercooled turbo 936cc engine pumping out 133bhp to a fulltime all wheel drive system. But now been replaced with the Boon x4, same running gear, uglier body.
www.daihatsu.co.jp/showroom/lineup/boon/special/index_02.htm

I could go on to Kei cars but I'd take me all day to go through all of them.

[Alex]

Marquis_Rex said:

Alfa Sud Flat Four!

Great engine, but its smallest capacity was 1186cc.

[mcflurry]

scissorhands83 said:

my 698 turbo in my smart can be re-mapped to 110bhp ish giving sub 6 0-60's

matt

Bollards!! No way could a standard engined remapped smart do 0-60 MPH in 6 seconds!!
110 bhp is certainly possible, but not realistic without upgrading the hardware too.

A G2 Brabby smart has 74 bhp on tap, and most standard smarts with a remap added come in between 70 and 90 horses, unless the owner has added oily bits.

[vrooom]

Take a 998cc A-series, then turbo it.. u can have anywhere from 80bhp to 150+ hp.