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within the next few weeks i will hopefully be the in joyous position of being able to purchase a sag,just keen to hear about any rebuilds on any sags to date,also if i decide to p/ex my griffith am i likely to be shafted or should i sell privately. Many thanks in advance pref from any one who's changed from griff to sag.
That would be me then.
Didnt get shafted on my Griff, I got back exactly what I paid for it, so that made me happy enough
No rebuilds here, my engine is solid as. Reliability fine on mine. They are a different animal to a Griff though and it takes a few miles to get used to them. It doesnt *feel* as fast as a Griff because it hasnt got that stupid amount of low down torque, but then where a Griff runs out of puff at 5k rpm, the Sagaris is only just into its *mental* phase. All hell breaks loose at 4k rpm and by 6k rpm its like shagging Anjelina Jolie on speed when she's got both her pistols out and firing em into the roof.
The ride isnt as compliant and soft, but there is so much more rigidity in the whole car. There is none of the wooly feel that there is in the Griff, everything is immediate, sharp and taut. You feel very secure and the car feels very compliant to your inputs, it does what you want, when you want and with alacrity and you can feel it working for you, as opposed to against you with a Griff sometimes.
I cant recommend one strongly enough.
Didnt get shafted on my Griff, I got back exactly what I paid for it, so that made me happy enough
No rebuilds here, my engine is solid as. Reliability fine on mine. They are a different animal to a Griff though and it takes a few miles to get used to them. It doesnt *feel* as fast as a Griff because it hasnt got that stupid amount of low down torque, but then where a Griff runs out of puff at 5k rpm, the Sagaris is only just into its *mental* phase. All hell breaks loose at 4k rpm and by 6k rpm its like shagging Anjelina Jolie on speed when she's got both her pistols out and firing em into the roof.
The ride isnt as compliant and soft, but there is so much more rigidity in the whole car. There is none of the wooly feel that there is in the Griff, everything is immediate, sharp and taut. You feel very secure and the car feels very compliant to your inputs, it does what you want, when you want and with alacrity and you can feel it working for you, as opposed to against you with a Griff sometimes.
I cant recommend one strongly enough.
jmt1 said:
DJC said:
All hell breaks loose at 4k rpm and by 6k rpm its like shagging Anjelina Jolie on speed when she's got both her pistols out and firing em into the roof.
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PMSL
Tell it like it is!!!! Must have a word with Mrs. Smith this evening!!!
But you are spot on - it is a wild ride - and for the above reason you'll never forget the first time!!!!
Edited by rpa.janwell on Monday 20th November 17:11
Edited by rpa.janwell on Monday 20th November 17:12
Disappointed. Just chatted to a sales person at TVR london. Seemed a good chap overall.
He did say something that concerned me though. He said "honestly speaking" that a Sagaris must be used regularily, and does not particularily like to be in traffic. He said it is certainly not your average daily driver.
This is a problem. i would love one, but the fact is I use my cars for everything from Tescos to racing trains.
Owners? Any of you expose your cars (Sagaris's) to London traffic?
He did say something that concerned me though. He said "honestly speaking" that a Sagaris must be used regularily, and does not particularily like to be in traffic. He said it is certainly not your average daily driver.
This is a problem. i would love one, but the fact is I use my cars for everything from Tescos to racing trains.
Owners? Any of you expose your cars (Sagaris's) to London traffic?
AdvocatusDiaboli said:
Just chatted to a sales person at TVR london. Seemed a good chap overall.
He did say something that concerned me though. He said "honestly speaking" that a Sagaris must be used regularily, and does not particularily like to be in traffic. He said it is certainly not your average daily driver.
This is a problem. i would love one, but the fact is I use my cars for everything from Tescos to racing trains.
Owners? Any of you expose your cars (Sagaris's) to London traffic?
He did say something that concerned me though. He said "honestly speaking" that a Sagaris must be used regularily, and does not particularily like to be in traffic. He said it is certainly not your average daily driver.
This is a problem. i would love one, but the fact is I use my cars for everything from Tescos to racing trains.
Owners? Any of you expose your cars (Sagaris's) to London traffic?
Seems a shame that he would speak such informed nonsense....My thoughts -
Almost any car benefits from regular use, the Sagaris no more no less than most.
Traffic is not an issue for the car, just a bit of a waste of its real talent.
Its not your average daily driver, in fact there is nothing average about the car full stop.
I've just bought one to use as a daily driver - why? because I see no issues with it being able to deliver the goods and there is little availble that I can afford that I would rather use for the task.
Racing trains....
The Sagaris is my daily driver and I will happily tell anybody who listens that it does the job quite happily. In fact, even when I had the crappy little diesel fiesta to do the work hack in crappy winter traffic last yr, I would still take the Sagaris sometimes because, well, well come on...wtf wouldnt? Far as Im concerned you have to be some kind of f***ing stupid to *not* want to drive a Sagaris as often as you can! Now a days I look forward to work and coming home every day, because I get 20-30mins in a Sagaris Then I get the smile looking at her as I walk away from the car.
Dont quite agree with Dafty about them needing no more or less driving than any other car, I definately think they need to be used regularly to be kept at their best. Id also say the best ones are those that are used on mixed cycles, i.e. they do different things, not just track thrash jobs, not just commuter traffic, not just only used on weekend cars.
Then I get the smile looking at her as I walk away from the car. Dont quite agree with Dafty about them needing no more or less driving than any other car, I definately think they need to be used regularly to be kept at their best. Id also say the best ones are those that are used on mixed cycles, i.e. they do different things, not just track thrash jobs, not just commuter traffic, not just only used on weekend cars.
Daftlad, DJC, thanks. Useful posts both, and precisely what my gut was telling me.
I use my bike for the daily commute, and therefore the car is only used in the evenings or at weekends. The use it gets at weekends does differ (as much as time allows!), and certainly part of the "deal" I would make with myself if i were to buy something like a Sagaris is to make sure I enjoy it and leave London to race trains at least one a month.
Sensible you think? The car will do about 4-5k a year and will be used plenty in London traffic. Is that ok? If you say "aye!, go for it sonny boy" then I am that much closer!
I have been floating around in other forums trying to get a "feel" for what I realy want. It has come down to these few (I keep bouncing between what I want, its the Sag this week! The fact it has a big boot is a bonus!): Ferrari 355, Porsche 993 T, TVR 350 or Sagaris.
The Sagaris sounds awesome and is such an event. Sure, it will depreciate far more than the other cars but hey...
Also, any chance I could meet up with someone here (DJC, daftlad) to see and talk to an OWNER about your car? All I can offer in return is good cheer and returning the favour if you're keen to look at the rarest 944 T there is!?
I use my bike for the daily commute, and therefore the car is only used in the evenings or at weekends. The use it gets at weekends does differ (as much as time allows!), and certainly part of the "deal" I would make with myself if i were to buy something like a Sagaris is to make sure I enjoy it and leave London to race trains at least one a month.
Sensible you think? The car will do about 4-5k a year and will be used plenty in London traffic. Is that ok? If you say "aye!, go for it sonny boy" then I am that much closer!
I have been floating around in other forums trying to get a "feel" for what I realy want. It has come down to these few (I keep bouncing between what I want, its the Sag this week! The fact it has a big boot is a bonus!): Ferrari 355, Porsche 993 T, TVR 350 or Sagaris.
The Sagaris sounds awesome and is such an event. Sure, it will depreciate far more than the other cars but hey...
Also, any chance I could meet up with someone here (DJC, daftlad) to see and talk to an OWNER about your car? All I can offer in return is good cheer and returning the favour if you're keen to look at the rarest 944 T there is!?
Edited by AdvocatusDiaboli on Tuesday 21st November 15:31
Daftlad said:
Seems a shame that he would speak such informed nonsense....
That was my thought exactly, didn't sound right. he also mentioned that the car bottomed out quite a lot. Fact?
Daftlad said:
Racing trains....
Edited by AdvocatusDiaboli on Tuesday 21st November 15:28
Edited by AdvocatusDiaboli on Tuesday 21st November 16:10
AdvocatusDiaboli said:
Daftlad, DJC, thanks. Useful posts both, and precisely what my gut was telling me.
I use my bike for the daily commute, and therefore the car is only used in the evenings or at weekends. The use it gets at weekends does differ (as much as time allows!), and certainly part of the "deal" I would make with myself if i were to buy something like a Sagaris is to make sure I enjoy it and leave London to race trains at least one a month.
Sensible you think? The car will do about 4-5k a year and will be used plenty in London traffic. Is that ok? If you say "aye!, go for it sonny boy" then I am that much closer!
I have been floating around in other forums trying to get a "feel" for what I realy want. It has come down to these few (I keep bouncing between what I want, its the Sag this week! The fact it has a big boot is a bonus!): Ferrari 355, Porsche 993 T, TVR 350 or Sagaris.
The Sagaris sounds awesome and is such an event. Sure, it will depreciate far more than the other cars but hey...
Also, any chance I could meet up with someone here (DJC, daftlad) to see and talk to an OWNER about your car? All I can offer in return is good cheer and returning the favour if you're keen to look at the rarest 944 T there is!?
I use my bike for the daily commute, and therefore the car is only used in the evenings or at weekends. The use it gets at weekends does differ (as much as time allows!), and certainly part of the "deal" I would make with myself if i were to buy something like a Sagaris is to make sure I enjoy it and leave London to race trains at least one a month.
Sensible you think? The car will do about 4-5k a year and will be used plenty in London traffic. Is that ok? If you say "aye!, go for it sonny boy" then I am that much closer!
I have been floating around in other forums trying to get a "feel" for what I realy want. It has come down to these few (I keep bouncing between what I want, its the Sag this week! The fact it has a big boot is a bonus!): Ferrari 355, Porsche 993 T, TVR 350 or Sagaris.
The Sagaris sounds awesome and is such an event. Sure, it will depreciate far more than the other cars but hey...
Also, any chance I could meet up with someone here (DJC, daftlad) to see and talk to an OWNER about your car? All I can offer in return is good cheer and returning the favour if you're keen to look at the rarest 944 T there is!?
Edited by AdvocatusDiaboli on Tuesday 21st November 15:31
I'm in Brentford for the next week or so and available to meet up for a chat. I'll mail you with contact details.
AdvocatusDiaboli said:
Owners? Any of you expose your cars (Sagaris's) to London traffic?
I commute daily from Kent to Docklands and hence brave the dreaded Blackwall Tunnel traffic. I have an XKR as the daily workhorse, but make sure I take the Sag in at least once or twice a week. Traffic is not an issue, easing forward in the queue is easier than I've found with any other TVR. Chimaera used to get very hot, Griff clutch was pretty fierce and found myself constantly switching from 1st to 2nd, and the T350 I found I had to give 2k every time I pulled away. But the Sag is sweet, pulls with minimal rev's and then cruises smoothly up to 25-30 still in first, which then gives you lots of popping when you lift off to slow down again.
Reminds me of the old Volvo advert where the guy said his job was so-so but the drive home was great. I find myself looking at the watch and planning home via the Dartford bridge. My record mileage for the 12 miles home is currently running at 75 miles. Dinner was burnt but as DJ says, wtf
Edited by GR1FF1F on Tuesday 21st November 16:19
Griff...so been there and done that
If Im on my way home into Maidstone and there is traffic at one of the roundabouts, I usually decide that its obviously far too busy in Maidstone and it will take me at least an extra 5-10mins to get home, so *obviously* I might aswell go round the roundabout and back out to Bluewater for a cpl of hours or so. I mean, the car is warmed by now...so shame to waste it
Advoctus...YHM
If Im on my way home into Maidstone and there is traffic at one of the roundabouts, I usually decide that its obviously far too busy in Maidstone and it will take me at least an extra 5-10mins to get home, so *obviously* I might aswell go round the roundabout and back out to Bluewater for a cpl of hours or so. I mean, the car is warmed by now...so shame to waste it
Advoctus...YHM
Agree with all of the above re daily driver - now on third 'Gris (don't ask - long and unfortunate series of events, and absolutley nothing to do with reliability or any of that crap).
So, approximately 30k of Sagaris driving, from city traffic, trips across Ireland, up and down the UK, to the Nurburgring and back. Scottish/Aberdeen winter, German summer. Extremes of weather and driving conditions - and I wouldn't do it any other car. Far too much fun, still learning more about the car, and still enjoying every minute. Daily drive right through last winter, and wil be driving daily right through this one.
DJC and Daftlad both know the background, and the cars well - if I were you I would grab one while you can.
So, approximately 30k of Sagaris driving, from city traffic, trips across Ireland, up and down the UK, to the Nurburgring and back. Scottish/Aberdeen winter, German summer. Extremes of weather and driving conditions - and I wouldn't do it any other car. Far too much fun, still learning more about the car, and still enjoying every minute. Daily drive right through last winter, and wil be driving daily right through this one.
DJC and Daftlad both know the background, and the cars well - if I were you I would grab one while you can.
my other half uses her Saggy as a daily drive - about 100 miles a day - its done about 11K miles since March this year. The engine is running like a dream with real low oil consumption.
Ive taken it on track twice and was pleasantly surprised at the amount of grip available on std road tyres (im used to a well set-up Elise on semi-slicks) and the brakes withstood 15-20min sessions without issue.
as a road car its great, although it can bottom out occasionally on real bumpy B roads, but on A roads it really excels.
Its surprisingly practical for daily use - the heater and aircon work, the hatchback arrangement and boot is easily big enough for a week away for 2 (went to LeMans this year in it) on the downside the turning circle is pants - you need 3 point turns in multi-storeys etc and steep speed bumps can be a challenge (take them at an angle!)...other than that if you can put up with being filmed and photographed every day on the way to work its awesome
Ive taken it on track twice and was pleasantly surprised at the amount of grip available on std road tyres (im used to a well set-up Elise on semi-slicks) and the brakes withstood 15-20min sessions without issue.
as a road car its great, although it can bottom out occasionally on real bumpy B roads, but on A roads it really excels.
Its surprisingly practical for daily use - the heater and aircon work, the hatchback arrangement and boot is easily big enough for a week away for 2 (went to LeMans this year in it) on the downside the turning circle is pants - you need 3 point turns in multi-storeys etc and steep speed bumps can be a challenge (take them at an angle!)...other than that if you can put up with being filmed and photographed every day on the way to work its awesome
Heaters that work are a boon! I drive with the roof down all through the year (if its not raining) and the heater is the only thing that keep me from freezing over!
Just struck me that I must look a bit silly wearing a wooly hat in a convertible in the middle of winter. Hang it! Its more fun that way.
Turning circle bit is an interesting point!
Just struck me that I must look a bit silly wearing a wooly hat in a convertible in the middle of winter. Hang it! Its more fun that way.
Turning circle bit is an interesting point!
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