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Just been perusing the Great Wall site at www.great-wall.by and was greatly amused by the blatant copying that's going on. This thing for example. It looks like a Fiat Panda with a Renault modus front end. Is this how they get around copyright, by copying two manufacturers?
www.great-wall.by/user/image/pic/GW%20Note%201.jpg
www.great-wall.by/user/image/pic/GW%20Note%201.jpg
mentioned it previously but China is a fecking disgrace on this issue.
based on true story, details altered for dramatic effect.
Western company builds production facility.
Western top guy, local management and engineers.
During day local engineers supervise build and installation etc.
During evening same engineers take drawings over road to copykit factory being built for Chinese :ahem: government :ahem: sort of. Nudge nudge nod and a wink say no more.
Western company finds out about theft of propriary knowledge intellectual property bla di bla and says, quite rightly "WTF!"
China says "Nothing in our law to stop this."
Legal eagles look and say, "Yes, in fact no law at all"
China says "For a consideration we can stop doing this." Consideration YKWIM
Western company pays up.
China, nuke it from orbit......
based on true story, details altered for dramatic effect.
Western company builds production facility.
Western top guy, local management and engineers.
During day local engineers supervise build and installation etc.
During evening same engineers take drawings over road to copykit factory being built for Chinese :ahem: government :ahem: sort of. Nudge nudge nod and a wink say no more.
Western company finds out about theft of propriary knowledge intellectual property bla di bla and says, quite rightly "WTF!"
China says "Nothing in our law to stop this."
Legal eagles look and say, "Yes, in fact no law at all"
China says "For a consideration we can stop doing this." Consideration YKWIM
Western company pays up.
China, nuke it from orbit......
Flat in Fifth said:
mentioned it previously but China is a fecking disgrace on this issue.
based on true story, details altered for dramatic effect.
Western company builds production facility.
Western top guy, local management and engineers.
During day local engineers supervise build and installation etc.
During evening same engineers take drawings over road to copykit factory being built for Chinese :ahem: government :ahem: sort of. Nudge nudge nod and a wink say no more.
Western company finds out about theft of propriary knowledge intellectual property bla di bla and says, quite rightly "WTF!"
China says "Nothing in our law to stop this."
Legal eagles look and say, "Yes, in fact no law at all"
China says "For a consideration we can stop doing this." Consideration YKWIM
Western company pays up.
Very interesting one that, a friend told me something to that effect a few months back. based on true story, details altered for dramatic effect.
Western company builds production facility.
Western top guy, local management and engineers.
During day local engineers supervise build and installation etc.
During evening same engineers take drawings over road to copykit factory being built for Chinese :ahem: government :ahem: sort of. Nudge nudge nod and a wink say no more.
Western company finds out about theft of propriary knowledge intellectual property bla di bla and says, quite rightly "WTF!"
China says "Nothing in our law to stop this."
Legal eagles look and say, "Yes, in fact no law at all"
China says "For a consideration we can stop doing this." Consideration YKWIM
Western company pays up.
Western companies are using the cheapness of Chinese production - by investing - all generating short term profit. Just yesterday I noticed that China is well up in the R&D stakes (think was on BBC news).
Eventually they can become independant and tell the western companies where to go as once the knowledge has been copied they will be surplus to requirements.
Isn't the current situation that the Chinese can get away with cloning as long as they don't try and compete in the same markets as western companies ?
Communism having the last laugh
?I have been looking at the photos of the 1st car and definitley think they have nicked the Panda shape (A-pillar, roofline, rear end). Looks like they have nearly copied Note front and rear lights (not quite the same, bit shorter on the roof and different internals for the front). The doors are from a Panda with the rear sash top having been reprofiled. Basically a rip off.
So far I have seen very bad reports of the quality of the cars coming out of China which is very worrying. At the moment EU law prevents these 'deathtraps' (most people have seen the Jiangling Landwind, Frontera copy, dramatically failing a 40mph crash test) from coming into Europe, but I am sure some countries will feel pressured from China to import them.
So far I have seen very bad reports of the quality of the cars coming out of China which is very worrying. At the moment EU law prevents these 'deathtraps' (most people have seen the Jiangling Landwind, Frontera copy, dramatically failing a 40mph crash test) from coming into Europe, but I am sure some countries will feel pressured from China to import them.
skid solo said:
I have been looking at the photos of the 1st car and definitley think they have nicked the Panda shape (A-pillar, roofline, rear end). Looks like they have nearly copied Note front and rear lights (not quite the same, bit shorter on the roof and different internals for the front). The doors are from a Panda with the rear sash top having been reprofiled. Basically a rip off.
So far I have seen very bad reports of the quality of the cars coming out of China which is very worrying. At the moment EU law prevents these 'deathtraps' (most people have seen the Jiangling Landwind, Frontera copy, dramatically failing a 40mph crash test) from coming into Europe, but I am sure some countries will feel pressured from China to import them.
So far I have seen very bad reports of the quality of the cars coming out of China which is very worrying. At the moment EU law prevents these 'deathtraps' (most people have seen the Jiangling Landwind, Frontera copy, dramatically failing a 40mph crash test) from coming into Europe, but I am sure some countries will feel pressured from China to import them.
Yep they are true rip off merchants at the moment, but I really do fear for some of the more complacent established car companies...
The chinese are coming and for a first generation of car development they're pretty decent - for sure I wouldn't want to be in one in a crash though! As there level of imitation reduces and understanding increases I expect to see them gain a foothold in more developed markets. They'll be able to throw so much (educated) resource at design and development for the same money that we can spend that catching up in standard to established marques (although not prestige) is feasilble in 10-15 years.
[quote=thunderbelmontIt means that when the Rover plant closed down they brought the patents etc to build Rovers if they choose.[/quote]
Ahh the return of the SD1 Vitesse!!!! Now there's a thought.
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Perhaps they'll be building such exotica as the Allegro, Maestro (God they were dreadfull, I should know, my company gave me a new one every 9 months, I had 6 of them), Montego, and not to forget the mighty Ital. The Marina was awfull beyond words and then they found a way to make it worse
Ahh the return of the SD1 Vitesse!!!! Now there's a thought.
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Perhaps they'll be building such exotica as the Allegro, Maestro (God they were dreadfull, I should know, my company gave me a new one every 9 months, I had 6 of them), Montego, and not to forget the mighty Ital. The Marina was awfull beyond words and then they found a way to make it worse
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