US shoot down RAF aircraft.
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looks like werwe going to lose more guys through accidents rather than actual fighting 
haven't heard of any iraq aircraft, actually been in the air, so you'd think they would be more careful.
Wasn't to impressed about the 2 sea king's crashing into each other yesterday, suppose thats war though
>> Edited by viper on Sunday 23 March 08:09
haven't heard of any iraq aircraft, actually been in the air, so you'd think they would be more careful.
Wasn't to impressed about the 2 sea king's crashing into each other yesterday, suppose thats war though
>> Edited by viper on Sunday 23 March 08:09
Patriot missile takes out RAF plane.
Fing worthless trigger-happy US military at it again then?
We simply do NOT know any details about this yet - there could be any number of reasons and FACTS behind this tragedy - let's wait before we start doling out blame - yes friendly fire is a problem but given the scale of the operation we're doing well.
My problem is with the EFFING USELESS journalism - especially by the BBC tw@ts out there - one of their so-called "defence correspondents" wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a Patriot missile and a loo roll tube and he's already asking stupid questions about this tragedy. Meanwhile the rest of the journalistic fraternity (mainly the tabloids) seem to be mourning one of their own miserable stinking brethren - that ITN journo missing presumed dead - more than the brave troops we have lost.
It's sad, no doubt about that but I suppose you have to realise that there are a lot of americans there. So allowing for say a 1% error factor they are bound to appear to make all the mistakes. As for the Sea King collision it could have been fatigue. Those carrier guys must be tired. Come to think of it so must the tank drivers who drove for appx 10 hours. Man, that must have been tough but I bet they got air-con and multidisc.
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Patriot missile takes out RAF plane.
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chill! I heard from the news that the patriots were on "automatic" and the tornado pilot forgot to turn off his target identifiers/radar gubbins and was therefore painted as a target. although I did get this from the "impartial 
" BBC. I think as has been said we should wait until all the facts are in.
What was the largest killer of UK and Canadian troops in the first Gulf war?
THE US FORCES....
Looks like they are trying to break the record this time. What is it about the bloody US? Cant they actually recognise what a UK Tornado looks like? I mean, when was the last Iraqi plane you have seen? Bloody morons....
Pi55ed of and totally amazed that it has happened again. Why cant they get it right? I wonder if we get recompence for the £20M plane, one pilot and one navigator? Do they make payments to the families? Bet not misserable barstewards...
Cheers,
Paul
THE US FORCES....
Looks like they are trying to break the record this time. What is it about the bloody US? Cant they actually recognise what a UK Tornado looks like? I mean, when was the last Iraqi plane you have seen? Bloody morons....
Pi55ed of and totally amazed that it has happened again. Why cant they get it right? I wonder if we get recompence for the £20M plane, one pilot and one navigator? Do they make payments to the families? Bet not misserable barstewards...
Cheers,
Paul
viper said: looks like one of the US soldiers has flipped, chucking grenades at his own men, another gone, 12 injured
Yep, glad to see that they have well trained and disciplined troops out in the gulf. Current reports say that he rolled a couple of grenades into the commanders tents... what the hell was he trying to do. Supprised that he lived if I am honest... all that testostorone and bullets - does tend to lead to 'swift' justice...
Patriot missile takes out RAF plane.
Edited to wait for the facts.
>>> Edited by julianhj on Sunday 23 March 10:21
Exremem sarcasm mode on
They're just getting their own back for those two F-15's in the highlands.
Extreme sarcasm mode off.
Wait for ALL the facts before making any judgement. There could be any number or combination of reasons that caused this.MoJo.
pbrettle said:
viper said: looks like one of the US soldiers has flipped, chucking grenades at his own men, another gone, 12 injured
Yep, glad to see that they have well trained and disciplined troops out in the gulf. Current reports say that he rolled a couple of grenades into the commanders tents... what the hell was he trying to do. Supprised that he lived if I am honest... all that testostorone and bullets - does tend to lead to 'swift' justice...
It is being reported on Reuters that he is a moslem...
MoJocvh said:
Patriot missile takes out RAF plane.
Edited to wait for the facts.
>>> Edited by julianhj on Sunday 23 March 10:21
Exremem sarcasm mode on
They're just getting their own back for those two F-15's in the highlands.
Extreme sarcasm mode off.
Wait for ALL the facts before making any judgement. There could be any number or combination of reasons that caused this.MoJo.
IFF failure or non emmission on the Tornado caused US AWACS to report the Tornado as an unfriendly. Patriot batteries engaged...
At the speed and lethality of modern strike/fighter aircraft, if you wait to see the roundels, it's too late. Tragic, and I can tell you, the Americans are gutted...
ErnestM
anybody else think that the "allies" seem to be making a bit of a cock-up of this war??
2 helicopter crashes (3 vehicles)
RAF tornado(?) taken out be fiendly fire
10(suspected) ally POW's
more fighting in supposedly "secured" areas
much slower progress towards bagdad...
the list goes on.
seems they are doing things the hard way to me, lots of artillery/tanks/troops, and not enough use of our massive air-superiority...
just my 2c.
Piers
2 helicopter crashes (3 vehicles)
RAF tornado(?) taken out be fiendly fire
10(suspected) ally POW's
more fighting in supposedly "secured" areas
much slower progress towards bagdad...
the list goes on.
seems they are doing things the hard way to me, lots of artillery/tanks/troops, and not enough use of our massive air-superiority...
just my 2c.
Piers
Seems to be a lot of negativity on here, lets compare the statistics with some other recent conflicts:
Falklands
Argentina
655 killed, and over 10,000 service personnel had been taken prisoner of war by the time of the ceasefire.
Britain
255 killed. (Note - this figure includes the three Falkland Islanders who were killed).
1990 Gulf war
The Coalition casualties were 240 (including 148 USA servicemen) and 776 wounded (including 458 USA servicemen) in total.
The Iraqi casualties were estimated to be around 10,000 dead. However, there are difficulties in estimating both the military and civilian Iraqi casualties.
Vietnam
Hostile deaths: 47,378
Non-hostile deaths: 10,800
Total: 58,202 (Includes men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez casualties). Men who have subsequently died of wounds account for the changing total.
War is a terrible thing, these guys new what they were getting into when they joined up (anyone who has joined the forces in the last 15 years or so would be niave to think they would never end up in a hostile situation).
"friendly fire" is inevitable in conflict, hey people have car crashes every day, dos'nt meen they set out to have one.
How many of the above people casting aspersions have actualy faced a combat situation or even so much as picked up a rifle?
I can tell you from first hand experience that you would S**T a brick.
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well said tuffer, this is the biggest operation of it's kind ever, there's no traffic control or ILS and nasty people keep shooting at them so accidents are bound to happen. Just seen on the news that 4 dead soldiers, gunshot wounds to the head and five captured are being paraded on telly, bastards
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