Nissan 200sx s14

[sato]

Are these any good?

I always admired them when they were new, but had n't really considered one as I thought they were all either automatics, sported slightly ropey bodykits, or had been converted to drift slags.

A tidy sounding standard example is advertised locally, is it worth a look, or should I stick to looking at Clio 172/182s and Civic Type Rs?

[turbo-tastic]

sato said:

Are these any good?

I always admired them when they were new, but had n't really considered one as I thought they were all either automatics, sported slightly ropey bodykits, or had been converted to drift slags.

A tidy sounding standard example is advertised locally, is it worth a look, or should I stick to looking at Clio 172/182s and Civic Type Rs?

Erm, how much are they asking for it if CTR's and 172's a comparible?

I personally wouldn't look at either of those if an S14 was also an option

They do drift well, so alot are used for that, but i regularly see 3 around my neck of the woods driven by old women So there are still good honest stock examples to be found

I've seen stock early 90's models with average mileage sell for less than £2k, with later model (99-2000) sell for around £6k.

Whats the year, mileage, colour & price of this local one??

[sato]

turbo-tastic said:

Whats the year, mileage, colour & price of this local one??

It's a 97 with 90k, and up at £5k, which if it checks out seems fair. While rwd is a bonus, it's not the bee all and end all to a good car.

[turbo-tastic]

sato said:

turbo-tastic said:

Whats the year, mileage, colour & price of this local one??

It's a 97 with 90k, and up at £5k, which if it checks out seems fair. While rwd is a bonus, it's not the bee all and end all to a good car.

Yes it is

It depends what you want from a car, but served my time with FWD's now

Anyway, 97 would make it an S14a with the more angular headlights (mini R34 skyline ish), not the "mondeo" looking one?? (I could well get my ass kicked by a fair few members of the SXOC for that one )

Unless its exceptionally tidy, i'd say its an optimistic price tbh. When I get home I'll have a browse and look into it some more, but my gut reaction would be its steep

[turbo-tastic]

£3250, 1998, 80k miles

www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=253977

£4500 1998 90k, not standard though

www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=252809

£5000 1998 91k again, non standard

www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=254196

£5000 1998 64k, non standard

www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=254196

£5250, 37k (cant rememeber the year)

www.pistonheads.com/sales/116978.htm


I'll keep editing this as i find more

Edited by turbo-tastic on Tuesday 5th December 15:35

[egomeister]

Sounds steep to me too - I'm looking at buying a mates 98 car, admittedly with just over 100k miles for around 3.5k, and thats a car I know has been looked after (FSH) and has just had a new exhaust and 4 tyres.

[sato]

turbo-tastic said:

£3250, 1998, 80k miles

www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=253977

£4500 1998 90k, not standard though

www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=252809

£5000 1998 91k again, non standard

www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=254196

£5000 1998 64k, non standard

www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=254196

£5250, 37k (cant rememeber the year)

www.pistonheads.com/sales/116978.htm


I'll keep editing this as i find more

Edited by turbo-tastic on Tuesday 5th December 15:35

busy at work?

cheers

Edited by sato on Tuesday 5th December 16:13

[turbo-tastic]

Have a look in my profile at my occupation

Anyway, I've had a good look round autotrader, completed items on fleabay etc, and I'd say £4k - £4250 is the absolute top money for a '97 S14a with 90k on it IMO. Obviously they'll be advertised for more, but after bartering I wouldn't pay over that.

There will always be exceptions, like if its been dry stored by its only ever owner, who bought it for himself as a retirement present and is now 75 and wants some easier to park etc etc, but for an average condition 9-10 year car, with the occaisonal stone chip/trolley dent, thats what I'd expect to pay

HTH

Ed

edit: There will be some advertised under that too, so shop around, and dont buy one just because its local

Edited by turbo-tastic on Tuesday 5th December 18:15

[smokinv8]

"Are they any good", of course they are!!!!!!

Admittedly I am now going to have to sell my S14 because I just bought a TVR Cerb and have too many other vehicles anyway, but I have owned it for 6 years and still dont really wana sell.
The secret with a S14 is to buy a standard one and then take it to "Norris designs" and let them do a 240BHP conversion on it and then boy do you notice the difference!
I bought mine totally standard from an elderley lady I knew (she wanted an auto again) then took it to Norris designs and got them to do the 240BHP conversion, then as all these things go I eventually ended up with 300BHP and a very happy face!
To sum up, I love these cars and would highly reccomend them.
Ps. If you are interested in mine,it is a Red Touring 1996 S14 with 85k and has been tuned to 300BHP and various other non-cosmetic mods and am looking for £3,500.

[turbo-tastic]

smokinv8 said:

The secret with a S14 is to buy a standard one and then take it to "Norris designs" and let them do a 240BHP conversion on it and then boy do you notice the difference!
I bought mine totally standard from an elderley lady I knew (she wanted an auto again) then took it to Norris designs and got them to do the 240BHP conversion, then as all these things go I eventually ended up with 300BHP and a very happy face!

I personally wouldn't take a car to ND for the same reason I wouldn't buy a Tiffany Diamond.

Alot of people like the drive in drive out service, and the fact that the work has warranty etc, but his prices are close to extortionate IMHO

With a bit of research on the SXOC you can easily achieve the figures ND do for much, much less

Just my opinion though

[sato]

smokinv8 said:

"Are they any good", of course they are!!!!!!

Admittedly I am now going to have to sell my S14 because I just bought a TVR Cerb and have too many other vehicles anyway, but I have owned it for 6 years and still dont really wana sell.
The secret with a S14 is to buy a standard one and then take it to "Norris designs" and let them do a 240BHP conversion on it and then boy do you notice the difference!
I bought mine totally standard from an elderley lady I knew (she wanted an auto again) then took it to Norris designs and got them to do the 240BHP conversion, then as all these things go I eventually ended up with 300BHP and a very happy face!
To sum up, I love these cars and would highly reccomend them.
Ps. If you are interested in mine,it is a Red Touring 1996 S14 with 85k and has been tuned to 300BHP and various other non-cosmetic mods and am looking for £3,500.

I have to admit my knowledge of tuning cars is almost non existent, what is done to get it 240bhp?

[smokinv8]

Getting to 240BHP usually involves better breathing and exhaust. ND 240 conversion consists of a full stainless exhaust with cat by-pass, k&n induction kit and an overboost raiser. which for £699 I think is good value.

[turbo-tastic]

smokinv8 said:

Getting to 240BHP usually involves better breathing and exhaust. ND 240 conversion consists of a full stainless exhaust with cat by-pass, k&n induction kit and an overboost raiser. which for £699 I think is good value.

Thats not actually that bad. the only way you could get it for less would be by going for 2nd hand parts. But its the step's above the 240 conversion where the prices get silly

270bhp is £1,699.00 inc vat

And the S13 270bhp conversion is £2249 inc vat. My old black S13 would have been around that power, and I spent £800.

Like I said though, with ND you do get a warranty and tech support etc, which is good if you're not too handy with the spanners.

edit: for a comprehensive list of whats required to get what BHP figure, read this thread.

www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=123910

Edited by turbo-tastic on Wednesday 6th December 18:49

[sato]

turbo-tastic said:

smokinv8 said:

Getting to 240BHP usually involves better breathing and exhaust. ND 240 conversion consists of a full stainless exhaust with cat by-pass, k&n induction kit and an overboost raiser. which for £699 I think is good value.

Thats not actually that bad. the only way you could get it for less would be by going for 2nd hand parts. But its the step's above the 240 conversion where the prices get silly

270bhp is £1,699.00 inc vat

And the S13 270bhp conversion is £2249 inc vat. My old black S13 would have been around that power, and I spent £800.

Like I said though, with ND you do get a warranty and tech support etc, which is good if you're not too handy with the spanners.

edit: for a comprehensive list of whats required to get what BHP figure, read this thread.

www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=123910

Edited by turbo-tastic on Wednesday 6th December 18:49

Blimey, you're helpful bunch on here.

Much Obliged

Edited by sato on Thursday 7th December 11:17

[Skid Solo]

I own a '99 S14a and for the money its an excellent car. I think its a damn good allrounder as it has very good standard power with oodles of tuning potential and it is a lovely long distance cruiser. I have taken mine to Le Mans twice so far and it happily sits on A roads and m/ways without feeling stressed. It always leaves you with a on my face after driving it.

I bought mine standard and have de-catted with a 'not too loud' exhaust and the difference was amazing, but if keeping it standard is your preference then you won't be dissapointed.

[SteA]

sato said:

Are these any good?

I always admired them when they were new, but had n't really considered one as I thought they were all either automatics, sported slightly ropey bodykits, or had been converted to drift slags.

A tidy sounding standard example is advertised locally, is it worth a look, or should I stick to looking at Clio 172/182s and Civic Type Rs?

Depends on what you want and your future plans........... if you are going to spend a bit of time and money modifying it then they are awesome cars. The S14A I bought for my wife is pretty standard, luckily I had lots of spare parts, did a few swaps and ended up with a 250 + bhp car within 4 hours of getting it for very minimal cost.

Spend a similar amount that you would probably spend on a CTR and you will have an awesome car. My S14 does 25,000 miles a year, reaches 380 lbft of torque (dyno dynamics in shootout mode) by 3800 rpm and never struggles on track ........ fun fun fun cars

[SO8]

I had one for over three years in the late 90's ..... and loved it! Standard is fun but chipped is superb

I had no problems to speak of - it was well made and really comfortable. Just watch the back end in the wet though. I fitted Racelogic Traction Control to calm it down .....

[FNG]

I've got an S14 and rate it the second best car I've had, behind a 944.

The main reason it doesn't come out on top is that the steering is over-assisted for my taste, not a lot of feedback going on.

But as a wonderfully reliable RWD coupe I think you'll find it a pleasant surprise. I feel mine does everything I want it to very competently, except let me know what the front end is doing on the rare occasions I get a chance to push along. Cockpit layout is attractive and the seating position is excellent (for me at least).

And for tuning, you pretty much start with an Apex exhaust, Apexi air filter and what's known as a Bren device (budget boost controller - look it up on sxoc.com) which will easy see 240-250bhp.

Next stage is a piggyback ECU module and front mounted intercooler, 270-280bhp, then you're nearing the safe limits of the injectors and it starts to get expensive because there's quite a few items maxxing out around the 300bhp mark. But at that point you really ought to be considering brake and suspension upgrades too, and it's getting seriously modified.

The sxoc forum is a good place to go looking for pointers and mildy modded cars for sale, or parts.