Innovate Motorsports LC-1 where from?
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Hi all. I've been trying to purchase an Innovate Motorsports LC-1 wideband lambda and controller from mocom for several days with no success, no returned calls and no email replies (a bit like me then lol!) .. it's a states sourced piece of kit but cariage is 85 dollars or over if you want it quickly, ouch (even with todays exchange rate). and i'd really like one this week.
does anyone one an alternative supplier in the uk for these kits?
any help greatfully appreciated.
regards,joo.
does anyone one an alternative supplier in the uk for these kits?
any help greatfully appreciated.
regards,joo.
I've got one Joo. You can get them from DTA, best email as they don't answer the phone very often,
www.dtafast.co.uk
or 0161 877 1419.
Ask for Allan Warburton. I mailed him earlier myself but am waiting for a reply.
Boosted.
www.dtafast.co.uk
or 0161 877 1419.
Ask for Allan Warburton. I mailed him earlier myself but am waiting for a reply.
Boosted.
lol just had a call from mocom, very nice chap ofered a couple of other names to get from aswell as they dont have any in stock until next week, I will defo be ordering from mocom in the future though just from that honest and open approach. Nice to have a positive thing to say about someone, great stuff. I'm off to spend my money now, cheers mike and thanks again.
stevieturbo said:
eliot said:
Megasquirt nice guy Bill Shurvinton Stocks them also:
bill[at]shurvinton.fsworld.co.uk
bill[at]shurvinton.fsworld.co.uk
Vote here for Bill too...
Although £119 will be hard to beat anywhere !!!!
We're dealing with a yorkshireman, flat cap, ferrets and lots of ecky thump. The price is bound to be beaten down!
boosted.
I knew I read it somewhere..
Here it is from Motec's website :
"Wide Band Lambda - Wide Band Lambda provides the ECU with a specific definition of the air fuel ratio at which the engine is currently running. Wide Band Sensors are able to depict air fuel ratio's as rich as 10.5:1 (0.7 Lambda) and as lean as 18:1 (1.3 Lambda) and report the exact lambda to the ECU. This is done in a number of ways. MoTeC M4 and M48 ECU's and ADL's use Bosch 4 wire Wide Band Lambda sensors to measure wide band lambda. MoTeC M800/880 ECU's and PLM's use either the Bosch LSU or the NTK UEGO 5 Wire Wide Band Lambda Sensor. MoTeC then uses this information to determine the actual lambda and displays this on the screen and or uses it for Lambda Control if the ECU is set up to do so.
4 Wire Wide Band Lambda Sensor - This technology takes advantage of the fact that a 4 Wire Wide Band Lambda sensor's voltage output is based on not only the oxygen differential between the exhaust pipe and atmosphere, but also is dependant on the temperature of the sensor itself. Sensor impedance varies with temperature, so a MoTeC ECU measures not only Wide Band Lambda Voltage, but also the sensor impedance.
5 Wire Wide Band Lambda Sensor - This newer technology is used to determine the air fuel ratio of an engine by measuring lambda sensor output and measuring the current required to hold the sensor voltage output constant. An oxygen sensor produces voltage and a small amount of current as oxygen atoms pass across its substrate from high concentration to low concentration. The greater the flow of oxygen, the greater the voltage produced. This is the case when a rich mixture is encountered. Conversely, when current is applied to an oxygen sensor, oxygen atoms are moved from a low concentration to a high concentration or vice versa depending on the polarity of the current applied. The MoTeC M880/800 ECU's are capable of measuring this type of sensor input which offers increased speed and accuracy over the older technology 4 wire sensors. M4 and M48 ECU's can leverage the 5 wire technology by connecting a MoTeC PLM, which has a definable analog voltage output, to the Lambda input on the ECU.
Bosch LSU and NTK UEGO Sensors - Both the MoTeC M880/800 and the MoTeC PLM are capable of operating with either the NTK UEGO or the Bosch LSU-4 5 wire wide band sensors. Of the two, the NTK is most accurate. It is a true laboratory grade sensor. Its accuracy has been found to be about 1.5% better than that of the Bosch LSU. Additionally the NTK has a better response time than does the LSU again about 1.5%. The NTK is the benchmark against which the LSU is measured. The advantage of the LSU sensor is its lower price compared to the NTK. If you are doing very precise and accurate laboratory type testing, the NTK is the sensor for you. Both sensors have a life expectancy of 500 hours on unleaded fuels and that number is diminished to 50 hours using leaded fuels. Lambda Sensors are very similar to spark plugs with respect to their estimated life expectancy. Spark Plugs are designed to last 40,000 miles under optimum circumstances but they can be damaged in less than 1 mile by misuse. A lambda sensor can be thought of the same way. Misuse by overly rich mixtures, high temperatures, overtightening or dropping can have a very negative effect on lambda sensor life. Like spark plugs, lambda sensors cannot be returned under warranty."
Have a read - it's really interesting..
www.m-techautomotive.co.uk/ecu/motec_glossary.htm
Here it is from Motec's website :
"Wide Band Lambda - Wide Band Lambda provides the ECU with a specific definition of the air fuel ratio at which the engine is currently running. Wide Band Sensors are able to depict air fuel ratio's as rich as 10.5:1 (0.7 Lambda) and as lean as 18:1 (1.3 Lambda) and report the exact lambda to the ECU. This is done in a number of ways. MoTeC M4 and M48 ECU's and ADL's use Bosch 4 wire Wide Band Lambda sensors to measure wide band lambda. MoTeC M800/880 ECU's and PLM's use either the Bosch LSU or the NTK UEGO 5 Wire Wide Band Lambda Sensor. MoTeC then uses this information to determine the actual lambda and displays this on the screen and or uses it for Lambda Control if the ECU is set up to do so.
4 Wire Wide Band Lambda Sensor - This technology takes advantage of the fact that a 4 Wire Wide Band Lambda sensor's voltage output is based on not only the oxygen differential between the exhaust pipe and atmosphere, but also is dependant on the temperature of the sensor itself. Sensor impedance varies with temperature, so a MoTeC ECU measures not only Wide Band Lambda Voltage, but also the sensor impedance.
5 Wire Wide Band Lambda Sensor - This newer technology is used to determine the air fuel ratio of an engine by measuring lambda sensor output and measuring the current required to hold the sensor voltage output constant. An oxygen sensor produces voltage and a small amount of current as oxygen atoms pass across its substrate from high concentration to low concentration. The greater the flow of oxygen, the greater the voltage produced. This is the case when a rich mixture is encountered. Conversely, when current is applied to an oxygen sensor, oxygen atoms are moved from a low concentration to a high concentration or vice versa depending on the polarity of the current applied. The MoTeC M880/800 ECU's are capable of measuring this type of sensor input which offers increased speed and accuracy over the older technology 4 wire sensors. M4 and M48 ECU's can leverage the 5 wire technology by connecting a MoTeC PLM, which has a definable analog voltage output, to the Lambda input on the ECU.
Bosch LSU and NTK UEGO Sensors - Both the MoTeC M880/800 and the MoTeC PLM are capable of operating with either the NTK UEGO or the Bosch LSU-4 5 wire wide band sensors. Of the two, the NTK is most accurate. It is a true laboratory grade sensor. Its accuracy has been found to be about 1.5% better than that of the Bosch LSU. Additionally the NTK has a better response time than does the LSU again about 1.5%. The NTK is the benchmark against which the LSU is measured. The advantage of the LSU sensor is its lower price compared to the NTK. If you are doing very precise and accurate laboratory type testing, the NTK is the sensor for you. Both sensors have a life expectancy of 500 hours on unleaded fuels and that number is diminished to 50 hours using leaded fuels. Lambda Sensors are very similar to spark plugs with respect to their estimated life expectancy. Spark Plugs are designed to last 40,000 miles under optimum circumstances but they can be damaged in less than 1 mile by misuse. A lambda sensor can be thought of the same way. Misuse by overly rich mixtures, high temperatures, overtightening or dropping can have a very negative effect on lambda sensor life. Like spark plugs, lambda sensors cannot be returned under warranty."
Have a read - it's really interesting..
www.m-techautomotive.co.uk/ecu/motec_glossary.htm
trackcar said:
graham goode were true to their word, trade price 119 plus carriage and vat. bargain! retail price is 132 i think plus carriage and vat
With or without sensor ???
rev-erend said:
Why not save yourself a few £££, and contact Bill.
trackcar said:
With sensor steve, the LC-1 is a kit with sensor, wideband controller, software, even a threaded insert and bung. to be honest i think its a bargain.
You can buy the LC-1 without the sensor too though....and is indeed listed on GGR's site.
£119 all in is a very very good price.
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