Another Mac Q

[vex]

Is this worth it second hand?

FOR SALE:

Apple 1st Gen Intel iMac .. 20" version

Brief spec:
2.0GHz Intel Core Duo CPU
20" screen (no dead pixels)
DVDRW/DL drive
250Gb HDD
128Mb Graphics memory
Apple remote
Built in iSight

Extras:
Extra 1Gb memory (total 1.5Gb)
Apple wireless keyboard
Apple wireless Mighty mouse

Or and the newer JBL CreationII speakers.

£750.00

and is there any major performance difference between the Core Duo's and Core 2 Duo's?

[ThePassenger]

vex said:

Is this worth it second hand?

FOR SALE:

Apple 1st Gen Intel iMac .. 20" version

Brief spec:
2.0GHz Intel Core Duo CPU
20" screen (no dead pixels)
DVDRW/DL drive
250Gb HDD
128Mb Graphics memory
Apple remote
Built in iSight

Extras:
Extra 1Gb memory (total 1.5Gb)
Apple wireless keyboard
Apple wireless Mighty mouse

Or and the newer JBL CreationII speakers.

£750.00

and is there any major performance difference between the Core Duo's and Core 2 Duo's?

Core Duo & Core 2 Duo are actually two different ranges of CPU. Core Duo is the successor to the P4-M (laptops mainly, but you did seem them appear in imac clones to some degree) and the Core 2 Duo the replacement for the desktop P4. Intel could have worked out a slightly better naming scheme I admit, but hey ho.

Regardless, £750 sounds like a bloody good deal for all of that lot!

[mmm-five]

The Apple Refurb store is selling one of a similar spec for £799 (only 512mb RAM, wired keyboard & mouse)and it comes with a full year's warranty!

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjec

I don't care for Apple mice anyway and have got a nice new Logiteck VX Revolution wireless mouse instead to go with my 5 year old keyboard (which I'm very comfortable with and still works fine).

How old is the machine, does it have any warranty, etc.

Edited by mmm-five on Wednesday 13th December 14:12

[vex]

Orignally bought in April 06

I'll check on the warrenty.

[magic torch]

Personally I wouldn't buy a 1st gen iMac without a warranty.

Has the AppleCare been extended?

[vex]

No, just a years warranty and no applecare extention.

Off to check on the cost of applecare.

Chris

[mmm-five]

magic torch said:

Personally I wouldn't buy a 1st gen iMac without a warranty.

Has the AppleCare been extended?

My work hack is a 17" iMac and it's been fine ("touch white plastic" - it's running both 10.4.8. and XP-Pro (for work) and it's not missed a beat.

Only cost £600 from the Apple Refurb shop (which obviously means someone else had the problems before me)!

[vex]

Blimey, Apple care for 3 years is only £139

[magic torch]

vex said:

Blimey, Apple care for 3 years is only £139

It's well worth it. They're normally reliable, but should something go wrong...

1st gen seem to have had more than their fair share of problems, plus they're not the easiest to work on.

For example, the cost to an AASP for a logic board would be roughly £320 inc VAT, then add their mark-up and labour.

I get the parts at cost, and can do the labour myself, yet I still extend the AppleCare on all my Apple kit.

[ThePassenger]

So £750 for a brilliant machine and £135 squiddies to Apple for an extension to the warranty. If I had the cash I'd be asking where this guy selling it was and pip you to the post

[magic torch]

If anyone's interested in buying the AppleCare, it may be worth phoning round Service Providers and Resellers.

Officially it's a fixed price, and they don't make a lot on it, but you never know.

[bobthemonkey]

[quote=ThePassenger
Core Duo & Core 2 Duo are actually two different ranges of CPU. Core Duo is the successor to the P4-M (laptops mainly, but you did seem them appear in imac clones to some degree) and the Core 2 Duo the replacement for the desktop P4. Intel could have worked out a slightly better naming scheme I admit, but hey ho.[/quote]

Not quite right - Core Duo was the sucsessor to centrino PM not P4M (that went away a long time ago).
Core duo is the same arcitecture but with 64bit instructions. Also available in laptyops desktops and servers, using slighlt different codenames. Imacs use the laptop chip (core duo [yonah] then core 2 duo [merom]. Core 2 replaces Core, although core is still available.

[vex]

Just need to get clearence from the controller of the purse strings and I am sorted with my christmas present to me!!!!

Might even see if I can get a bit off for cash!

[ThePassenger]

bobthemonkey said:

ThePassenger said:

Core Duo & Core 2 Duo are actually two different ranges of CPU. Core Duo is the successor to the P4-M (laptops mainly, but you did seem them appear in imac clones to some degree) and the Core 2 Duo the replacement for the desktop P4. Intel could have worked out a slightly better naming scheme I admit, but hey ho.

Not quite right - Core Duo was the sucsessor to centrino PM not P4M (that went away a long time ago).
Core duo is the same arcitecture but with 64bit instructions. Also available in laptyops desktops and servers, using slighlt different codenames. Imacs use the laptop chip (core duo [yonah] then core 2 duo [merom]. Core 2 replaces Core, although core is still available.

Actually 'Centrino' wasn't a processor. But a connectivity specification, a certain type of CPU, mated to a specific range of chipsets, with specific capabilities (Wifi, Bluetooth). After the first round Intel dropped the Bluetooth part from the requirements and made it a 'nice to have for full compliance' hence a lot of laptops running around without BT but with Centrino stickers. Dell caused a minor stink by slapping Centrino stickers on it's low range stuff, which at the time didn't have integrated WiFi, instead they shipped a PC Card adapter as an option (spec says must be integrated and an Intel approved chipset).
Hence my obviously 'Centrino' compliant XPS Gen 2 has a (according to Windows) "Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.26Ghz", or P4-M for short Some manu's did patch Windows so that the system information so it would say "Intel(R) Centrino(R) processor" and some didn't, but either way it's a P4-M.

But anyway, yes it appears that Core Duo and Core 2 Duo are two different processor so my bad on that one; but that being said OS X will make use of the 64-bit extensions found on the Core X range of processors (it did on the G5) so as for speed it will be quite nippy despite not being 'state of the art', to get the same usage out of Windows you'll either need "Windows XP for 64bit extended machines" which has rubbish driver support or wait for Vista 64bit edition to appear next year.

Edited by ThePassenger on Wednesday 13th December 15:33

[m12_nathan]

Pretty sure the centrino PM processors are different to the P4M processors.

[ThePassenger]

m12_nathan said:

Pretty sure the centrino PM processors are different to the P4M processors.

I honestly can't remember the whole spec for centrino, but it was a specific release of the P4-M (and above obviously), just happened to be the latest one at the time obviously

But Centrino was in itself more of an advertising thing, it had people thinking it was akin to the lion mark on toys when it's more of a brand name for other things.

[m12_nathan]

Centrino used the PM which was ran on lower clock speeds for the same performance and was therefore better on heat and power than the P4M. That was also part of the Centrino thing from memory.

[m12_nathan]

In response to the original poster - Buy it.

[vex]

Bought it!

Just got to find the time to play with it now.

Chris

[ThePassenger]

vex said:

Bought it!

Just got to find the time to play with it now.

Chris

Cool Have fun and if you need help their are a few mac peeps wandering around PH. Only know the basics about getting them going myself