Ruf CTR question...
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.... Having never driven a car with the Ruf badge, I have a question which people might be able to answer, or even just offer an opinion on.
I know that the Ruf CTR is totally revered, and rightly so, but it seems to get more 'column' inches on here than other Ruf models that I would assume (possibly wrongly) are more capable.
What about the CTR2 for example? - Doesn't often get a mention on here.
Is it because the original CTR was the first of it's kind and therefore groundbreaking? - Has it ever been bettered? - Has the whole 'white socks' / 'balls of steel' / 'nurburgring' thing got to be factored in?
Just curious that's all
Also:
Can I just wish everyone here a bloody good Xmas and prosperous New Year? - I never tire of visiting this forum - a fountain of knowledge and full of good people
Cheers to you all
Chris
I know that the Ruf CTR is totally revered, and rightly so, but it seems to get more 'column' inches on here than other Ruf models that I would assume (possibly wrongly) are more capable.
What about the CTR2 for example? - Doesn't often get a mention on here.
Is it because the original CTR was the first of it's kind and therefore groundbreaking? - Has it ever been bettered? - Has the whole 'white socks' / 'balls of steel' / 'nurburgring' thing got to be factored in?
Just curious that's all
Also:
Can I just wish everyone here a bloody good Xmas and prosperous New Year? - I never tire of visiting this forum - a fountain of knowledge and full of good people
Cheers to you all
Chris
welshchris said:
.... Having never driven a car with the Ruf badge, I have a question which people might be able to answer, or even just offer an opinion on.
I know that the Ruf CTR is totally revered, and rightly so, but it seems to get more 'column' inches on here than other Ruf models that I would assume (possibly wrongly) are more capable.
What about the CTR2 for example? - Doesn't often get a mention on here.
Is it because the original CTR was the first of it's kind and therefore groundbreaking? - Has it ever been bettered? - Has the whole 'white socks' / 'balls of steel' / 'nurburgring' thing got to be factored in?
Just curious that's all
Also:
Can I just wish everyone here a bloody good Xmas and prosperous New Year? - I never tire of visiting this forum - a fountain of knowledge and full of good people
Cheers to you all
Chris
I know that the Ruf CTR is totally revered, and rightly so, but it seems to get more 'column' inches on here than other Ruf models that I would assume (possibly wrongly) are more capable.
What about the CTR2 for example? - Doesn't often get a mention on here.
Is it because the original CTR was the first of it's kind and therefore groundbreaking? - Has it ever been bettered? - Has the whole 'white socks' / 'balls of steel' / 'nurburgring' thing got to be factored in?
Just curious that's all
Also:
Can I just wish everyone here a bloody good Xmas and prosperous New Year? - I never tire of visiting this forum - a fountain of knowledge and full of good people
Cheers to you all
Chris
Cheers bro - back at yer. cant answer your question but will happily slosh around in some Christmas Spirit with you
greg964 said:
Perhaps Ruf don't stand out as much as they did nowadays due to the large amount of tuners that get big performance from 911s?
Ruf deliberately try and stay away from the brash and OTT tuners, as they dont see themselves as a tuner(and rightly so).
They recently achieved the highest manufacturing status the german government would award, it took ten years, but now they are rated the same as porsche, VW, Audi etc.
Back to the CTR, it is just one of the most charismatic little cars in existence. It is a little pocket rocket, which can devastate an autobahn, or be a tactile delight on the twists and turns of a country road. And i think the car has a lot of mystique around it as it is incredibly rare (<30 real ones) and most of them are hardly driven.
If your ever in munich drop me a mail and well go for a blast and then beer,
merry christmas too!
all the best
adam
I'd have said it's a function of a number of things. In no particular order:
it was one of if not the first streetable car to break the 200mph barrier
it's made by a company that's still around 20 years later having gone from strength to strength
the car is durable (AdamT can describe what little his car has needed over the past X KM)
the Ring video has immortalised it
it's got a "name" as the Yellowbird not just as yet another modified 911
it was one of if not the first streetable car to break the 200mph barrier
it's made by a company that's still around 20 years later having gone from strength to strength
the car is durable (AdamT can describe what little his car has needed over the past X KM)
the Ring video has immortalised it
it's got a "name" as the Yellowbird not just as yet another modified 911
I have seen a couple of CTR2's and having read a couple of road tests, the tests start out with the stats and seemed to end in disappointment that the car wasn't fully resolved for UK roads or track.
That is the opinion I have of Rufs, of course I admire them, marvel at the build quality and innovation. they seem to be set up for autobahn driving and Vmax,,,it is rare to see one perform well at a twisty track, due to the power delivery and usual specified set up...definite horses for courses which is why I believe some of the reviews I have read appeared mixed. Definite halo effect from the original CTR.
That is the opinion I have of Rufs, of course I admire them, marvel at the build quality and innovation. they seem to be set up for autobahn driving and Vmax,,,it is rare to see one perform well at a twisty track, due to the power delivery and usual specified set up...definite horses for courses which is why I believe some of the reviews I have read appeared mixed. Definite halo effect from the original CTR.
clubsport said:
it is rare to see one perform well at a twisty track, due to the power delivery and usual specified set up...definite horses for courses which is why I believe some of the reviews I have read appeared mixed. Definite halo effect from the original CTR.
Indeed, most of the cars built by ruf are for road use, with a small amount of track work in mind.
Its hard to get a great road car, and have it perform on track like a race car....but perhaps porsche have cracked it with the 997 GT3
all the best
adam
There are some small and some not so small twisty roads around Pfaffenhausen that shows the abilities of modern day RUF's. My limited opinion is that they can hold their own on the twisties as demonstrated by a quick passenger ride in an RT12 while out there. I think Adams extra weight in the following test ride broke the front spoiler. You have to stop eating so much peking duck Adam!!!
cho said:
There are some small and some not so small twisty roads around Pfaffenhausen that shows the abilities of modern day RUF's. My limited opinion is that they can hold their own on the twisties as demonstrated by a quick passenger ride in an RT12 while out there. I think Adams extra weight in the following test ride broke the front spoiler. You have to stop eating so much peking duck Adam!!!
Yeah i had forgotten about that! Its true too
But i do think, on a twisty road not much will keep up with a well driven ruf car, but track work is much more demanding and the extra weight really tells imho
all the best
adam
adamt said:
Ruf deliberately try and stay away from the brash and OTT tuners, as they dont see themselves as a tuner(and rightly so).
I totally agree, i was just trying to get at why their subsequent cars were not as famous as the CTR, although i imagine innovative in their own right.
A couple other points to add to phelix's that i think helped the CTR to its 'saintly' status were that iirc the CTR got the production car speed record in '87 (?) and kept it for years until something (macf1?) finally beat it. Secondly, there were clever bits of design that Alois came up with that Porsche took on in their own future designs - like the cooling vents on the rear arches that took air over the intercoolers, and then out thru bumper vents.
2 reasons:
R&T/Paul Frere
Fascinazion/Stefan
Created the legend. Legends stick, esp those that do something utterly extraordinary and get their own PR. What did the CTR2 do that extra-ordinary? What PR did it get?
What happened in the R&T test was absolutely unheard of before. Porsche and Ferrari were the undisputed kings, they were the untouchable royalty. OK, Lambo would occasionally try and steak their thunder, but even Lambo were regarded as the oddball choice. If you wanted maximum attack, top end thunder you went straight to the boys from Stuttgart or Marinello. Yes there were recognised tuners already, but they were kind of a semi joke. They did aftermarket stuff with wierd and wonderful bodykits.
Suddenly this relatively restrained, but definately hard looking bugger from a bunch of nobodies turns up to this ultimate top speed run. It doesnt just piss on the chips of the Fezza and Porka boys, but it cracks the dbl ton while its at it! Oh and its come in the bright yellow colour...instant Yellowbird nickname.
After that, everybody with a hankering for shouting out their willy size in public decided they could build a dbl ton car. If Ruf wanted to create a similar fuss now, it would be something to dethrone the Veyron, but look relatively understated, almost Q car ish, just like the original CTR.
R&T/Paul Frere
Fascinazion/Stefan
Created the legend. Legends stick, esp those that do something utterly extraordinary and get their own PR. What did the CTR2 do that extra-ordinary? What PR did it get?
What happened in the R&T test was absolutely unheard of before. Porsche and Ferrari were the undisputed kings, they were the untouchable royalty. OK, Lambo would occasionally try and steak their thunder, but even Lambo were regarded as the oddball choice. If you wanted maximum attack, top end thunder you went straight to the boys from Stuttgart or Marinello. Yes there were recognised tuners already, but they were kind of a semi joke. They did aftermarket stuff with wierd and wonderful bodykits.
Suddenly this relatively restrained, but definately hard looking bugger from a bunch of nobodies turns up to this ultimate top speed run. It doesnt just piss on the chips of the Fezza and Porka boys, but it cracks the dbl ton while its at it! Oh and its come in the bright yellow colour...instant Yellowbird nickname.
After that, everybody with a hankering for shouting out their willy size in public decided they could build a dbl ton car. If Ruf wanted to create a similar fuss now, it would be something to dethrone the Veyron, but look relatively understated, almost Q car ish, just like the original CTR.
The twin turbo concept in the Ruf CTR was designed and developed by the then chief engineer at RUF Mr RS, Reinhold Schmirler.
The power combined with relatively light weight ~1250kg wet and optimised areodynamics made an amazing combination which set some barking mad speed records, particularly for 1987 -213mph is an amzing speed now, but those of us who were petrol veined in '87 remember this car with awe.
The Roser video imortalised the CTR.
Ruf was (and is to a good extent) the master at PR -most Porsche enthusiasts know about the CTR and its pace, few know that at the major shootout in Ehra Lessien (VW proving ground) in '87 it was an RS Tuning (he had left Ruf by then) 930tt which out accelerated the CTR followed by the "White Giant" a turbo bodied 930 with a 580hp tt engine which despite the wide body beat the CTR's record achieving 216.29mph (which was listed in the Guiness book of records) and doing the first known 0-300kph acceleration run which took 29.38s.
I owned a CTR so am not detracting from its all round abitilies - times moved on quickly but its combination of weight/power/togetherness and that awesome sound of the wastegates chirping as the dumped made it an iconic creation
still got the poster
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5201
The power combined with relatively light weight ~1250kg wet and optimised areodynamics made an amazing combination which set some barking mad speed records, particularly for 1987 -213mph is an amzing speed now, but those of us who were petrol veined in '87 remember this car with awe.
The Roser video imortalised the CTR.
Ruf was (and is to a good extent) the master at PR -most Porsche enthusiasts know about the CTR and its pace, few know that at the major shootout in Ehra Lessien (VW proving ground) in '87 it was an RS Tuning (he had left Ruf by then) 930tt which out accelerated the CTR followed by the "White Giant" a turbo bodied 930 with a 580hp tt engine which despite the wide body beat the CTR's record achieving 216.29mph (which was listed in the Guiness book of records) and doing the first known 0-300kph acceleration run which took 29.38s.
I owned a CTR so am not detracting from its all round abitilies - times moved on quickly but its combination of weight/power/togetherness and that awesome sound of the wastegates chirping as the dumped made it an iconic creation
still got the poster
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5201
Edited by tb993tt on Thursday 14th December 16:36
tb993tt said:
The twin turbo concept in the Ruf CTR was designed and developed by the then chief engineer at RUF Mr RS, Reinhold Schmirler.
The power combined with relatively light weight ~1250kg wet and optimised areodynamics made an amazing combination which set some barking mad speed records, particularly for 1987 -213mph is an amzing speed now, but those of us who were petrol veined in '87 remember this car with awe.
The Roser video imortalised the CTR.
Ruf was (and is to a good extent) the master at PR -most Porsche enthusiasts know about the CTR and its pace, few know that at the major shootout in Ehra Lessien (VW proving ground) in '87 it was an RS Tuning (he had left Ruf by then) 930tt which out accelerated the CTR followed by the "White Giant" a turbo bodied 930 with a 580hp tt engine which despite the wide body beat the CTR's record achieving 216.29mph (which was listed in the Guiness book of records) and doing the first known 0-300kph acceleration run which took 29.38s.
I owned a CTR so am not detracting from its all round abitilies - times moved on quickly but its combination of weight/power/togetherness and that awesome sound of the wastegates chirping as the dumped made it an iconic creation
The power combined with relatively light weight ~1250kg wet and optimised areodynamics made an amazing combination which set some barking mad speed records, particularly for 1987 -213mph is an amzing speed now, but those of us who were petrol veined in '87 remember this car with awe.
The Roser video imortalised the CTR.
Ruf was (and is to a good extent) the master at PR -most Porsche enthusiasts know about the CTR and its pace, few know that at the major shootout in Ehra Lessien (VW proving ground) in '87 it was an RS Tuning (he had left Ruf by then) 930tt which out accelerated the CTR followed by the "White Giant" a turbo bodied 930 with a 580hp tt engine which despite the wide body beat the CTR's record achieving 216.29mph (which was listed in the Guiness book of records) and doing the first known 0-300kph acceleration run which took 29.38s.
I owned a CTR so am not detracting from its all round abitilies - times moved on quickly but its combination of weight/power/togetherness and that awesome sound of the wastegates chirping as the dumped made it an iconic creation
Did the RS tuning car suffer an engine problem on the day?
all the best
adam
AdamT said:
tb993tt said:
The twin turbo concept in the Ruf CTR was designed and developed by the then chief engineer at RUF Mr RS, Reinhold Schmirler.
The power combined with relatively light weight ~1250kg wet and optimised areodynamics made an amazing combination which set some barking mad speed records, particularly for 1987 -213mph is an amzing speed now, but those of us who were petrol veined in '87 remember this car with awe.
The Roser video imortalised the CTR.
Ruf was (and is to a good extent) the master at PR -most Porsche enthusiasts know about the CTR and its pace, few know that at the major shootout in Ehra Lessien (VW proving ground) in '87 it was an RS Tuning (he had left Ruf by then) 930tt which out accelerated the CTR followed by the "White Giant" a turbo bodied 930 with a 580hp tt engine which despite the wide body beat the CTR's record achieving 216.29mph (which was listed in the Guiness book of records) and doing the first known 0-300kph acceleration run which took 29.38s.
I owned a CTR so am not detracting from its all round abitilies - times moved on quickly but its combination of weight/power/togetherness and that awesome sound of the wastegates chirping as the dumped made it an iconic creation
The power combined with relatively light weight ~1250kg wet and optimised areodynamics made an amazing combination which set some barking mad speed records, particularly for 1987 -213mph is an amzing speed now, but those of us who were petrol veined in '87 remember this car with awe.
The Roser video imortalised the CTR.
Ruf was (and is to a good extent) the master at PR -most Porsche enthusiasts know about the CTR and its pace, few know that at the major shootout in Ehra Lessien (VW proving ground) in '87 it was an RS Tuning (he had left Ruf by then) 930tt which out accelerated the CTR followed by the "White Giant" a turbo bodied 930 with a 580hp tt engine which despite the wide body beat the CTR's record achieving 216.29mph (which was listed in the Guiness book of records) and doing the first known 0-300kph acceleration run which took 29.38s.
I owned a CTR so am not detracting from its all round abitilies - times moved on quickly but its combination of weight/power/togetherness and that awesome sound of the wastegates chirping as the dumped made it an iconic creation
Did the RS tuning car suffer an engine problem on the day?
all the best
adam
Hi Adam
The report of the Ehran L shooutout from Paul Frere read thus:
"The engine of this flat nose 935 look alike was said to develop 520hp and indeed the early signs were encouraging with a practice run through the timing beams at a comfortable 201mph but before the serious action commenced a fan belt snapped -Frere recalls " Fortunately I spotted the red light on the dash panel immediately and no damage was done. I felt almost relieved when it came on as the tyres were not properly balanced and caused considerable vibration" Proof however that the engine had suffered no damage was given two days later when the car beat all comers in the acceleration tests"
So no engine problem per se - but amusing that they were attemtping to beat the CTR's top speed with a wide bodied 935 look - crazy Germans
tb993tt said:
AdamT said:
tb993tt said:
The twin turbo concept in the Ruf CTR was designed and developed by the then chief engineer at RUF Mr RS, Reinhold Schmirler.
The power combined with relatively light weight ~1250kg wet and optimised areodynamics made an amazing combination which set some barking mad speed records, particularly for 1987 -213mph is an amzing speed now, but those of us who were petrol veined in '87 remember this car with awe.
The Roser video imortalised the CTR.
Ruf was (and is to a good extent) the master at PR -most Porsche enthusiasts know about the CTR and its pace, few know that at the major shootout in Ehra Lessien (VW proving ground) in '87 it was an RS Tuning (he had left Ruf by then) 930tt which out accelerated the CTR followed by the "White Giant" a turbo bodied 930 with a 580hp tt engine which despite the wide body beat the CTR's record achieving 216.29mph (which was listed in the Guiness book of records) and doing the first known 0-300kph acceleration run which took 29.38s.
I owned a CTR so am not detracting from its all round abitilies - times moved on quickly but its combination of weight/power/togetherness and that awesome sound of the wastegates chirping as the dumped made it an iconic creation
The power combined with relatively light weight ~1250kg wet and optimised areodynamics made an amazing combination which set some barking mad speed records, particularly for 1987 -213mph is an amzing speed now, but those of us who were petrol veined in '87 remember this car with awe.
The Roser video imortalised the CTR.
Ruf was (and is to a good extent) the master at PR -most Porsche enthusiasts know about the CTR and its pace, few know that at the major shootout in Ehra Lessien (VW proving ground) in '87 it was an RS Tuning (he had left Ruf by then) 930tt which out accelerated the CTR followed by the "White Giant" a turbo bodied 930 with a 580hp tt engine which despite the wide body beat the CTR's record achieving 216.29mph (which was listed in the Guiness book of records) and doing the first known 0-300kph acceleration run which took 29.38s.
I owned a CTR so am not detracting from its all round abitilies - times moved on quickly but its combination of weight/power/togetherness and that awesome sound of the wastegates chirping as the dumped made it an iconic creation
Did the RS tuning car suffer an engine problem on the day?
all the best
adam
Hi Adam
The report of the Ehran L shooutout from Paul Frere read thus:
"The engine of this flat nose 935 look alike was said to develop 520hp and indeed the early signs were encouraging with a practice run through the timing beams at a comfortable 201mph but before the serious action commenced a fan belt snapped -Frere recalls " Fortunately I spotted the red light on the dash panel immediately and no damage was done. I felt almost relieved when it came on as the tyres were not properly balanced and caused considerable vibration" Proof however that the engine had suffered no damage was given two days later when the car beat all comers in the acceleration tests"
So no engine problem per se - but amusing that they were attemtping to beat the CTR's top speed with a wide bodied 935 look - crazy Germans
I know a widebodied 935 is about as aerodynamic as brick
all the best
adam
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