From Red-light cams to Talivans.
Discussion
A tour of my local area (its a secret) has got me thinking about the amount of red light cameras that dont have any cameras actually in them.
In all the roads ive travelled with these installed on them, ive never seen one anywhere with a camera inside. Occasionally there will be one with a flash in it, but none with a camera.
Im wondering as to why this is. Contrary to my stance regarding all other forms of road camera scrap, the red light ones do serve a good purpose, yet for reasons unknown, the local councils/police/scamera partnerships, dont seem to be actually interested in this particular type of enforcement.
Is it because there arent that many eedjuts out there actually running red lights? Or maybe its not considered as serious as that other bugbear and love of my life..speeding?
I feel that theres probably not enough money to be reaped in the form of fines, to justify the cost of a red camera unit.
That then begs another question. If theres not that many red light runners, and theres no money to made from that enforcement, just why have they bothered putting the bloody things up in the first place, and why not remove them now?
It would seem, and i genuinely believe this, that all the efforts are being put into the ubiquitous Gatso speed camera, because quite simply, thats where the best return for unit cost is.
Similarly, with the absolute lowest form of virological life, the Talivans and their operators, they get the best returns in way of money (yours and mine...well not mine
) per unit cost.
I fail to see the point of all this "enforcement".
It acheives absolutley sweet F/A for road safety improvements. The associated paraphernalia in the form of signs (god theyve gone nuts with signs here) is making the place look like shit, to be perfectly honest.Im sure Carzee or Derestrictor (hail them) could put it far more eloquently than humble little me ever could.
I will endeavour to find out the reasons for some of the questions ive gone through on here tomorrow with my local council, i dont think ill get anywhere with them though, do we ever?
In all the roads ive travelled with these installed on them, ive never seen one anywhere with a camera inside. Occasionally there will be one with a flash in it, but none with a camera.
Im wondering as to why this is. Contrary to my stance regarding all other forms of road camera scrap, the red light ones do serve a good purpose, yet for reasons unknown, the local councils/police/scamera partnerships, dont seem to be actually interested in this particular type of enforcement.
Is it because there arent that many eedjuts out there actually running red lights? Or maybe its not considered as serious as that other bugbear and love of my life..speeding?
I feel that theres probably not enough money to be reaped in the form of fines, to justify the cost of a red camera unit.
That then begs another question. If theres not that many red light runners, and theres no money to made from that enforcement, just why have they bothered putting the bloody things up in the first place, and why not remove them now?
It would seem, and i genuinely believe this, that all the efforts are being put into the ubiquitous Gatso speed camera, because quite simply, thats where the best return for unit cost is.
Similarly, with the absolute lowest form of virological life, the Talivans and their operators, they get the best returns in way of money (yours and mine...well not mine
) per unit cost. I fail to see the point of all this "enforcement".
It acheives absolutley sweet F/A for road safety improvements. The associated paraphernalia in the form of signs (god theyve gone nuts with signs here) is making the place look like shit, to be perfectly honest.Im sure Carzee or Derestrictor (hail them) could put it far more eloquently than humble little me ever could.
I will endeavour to find out the reasons for some of the questions ive gone through on here tomorrow with my local council, i dont think ill get anywhere with them though, do we ever?
Same reason that not all Gatso are loaded. Cant afford the film and will only put it in for "revenue" purposes.
Mind you i agree with traffic light cameras. I would rather have 100% of those live than 10% of gatsos as they genuinly can save lives.
I have some twatty little novaboy almost kill me at a junction when he jumped a red light and almost ploughed into the side of me.
He then swore and drove off. Luckily the car behind him was an unmarked plod so he got pulled later down the road. I have him a friendly "hello" beep as i drove past....!
Mind you i agree with traffic light cameras. I would rather have 100% of those live than 10% of gatsos as they genuinly can save lives.
I have some twatty little novaboy almost kill me at a junction when he jumped a red light and almost ploughed into the side of me.
He then swore and drove off. Luckily the car behind him was an unmarked plod so he got pulled later down the road. I have him a friendly "hello" beep as i drove past....!
Look for a flash first, its silver and fitted in the bottom aperture.
Most dont even have this fitted. There is no point to them being installed if theres nobody running red lights, and id say that on the whole, this is exactly the situation.
In the US, they couldnt catch folks running reds, so they covertly changed the phasings to put people out in the junction with the express intention and primary objective of snapping them for profit.
So far this hasnt happened here, but, i suspect given their avaricious nature, it may not be long before they scam motorists this way too. After all, they were going to make them read speed on green, just another money scam.
Its obvious to anyone id say, that theyre not exactly interested in running the red light system as it is, it dosent pay for itself, hence the speedcamera explosion and the Talivans. Its the only explanation i can think of.
It will backfire on them bigtime, hence the emergence of more direct action groups.
I see it like this, they declared war on motorists, and now theyve got one, or soon will have.
Its all so unnecessary too, all they have be, is reasonable and honest. Fat chance.
>> Edited by deltaf on Sunday 30th March 21:05
>> Edited by deltaf on Sunday 30th March 21:07
Most dont even have this fitted. There is no point to them being installed if theres nobody running red lights, and id say that on the whole, this is exactly the situation.
In the US, they couldnt catch folks running reds, so they covertly changed the phasings to put people out in the junction with the express intention and primary objective of snapping them for profit.
So far this hasnt happened here, but, i suspect given their avaricious nature, it may not be long before they scam motorists this way too. After all, they were going to make them read speed on green, just another money scam.
Its obvious to anyone id say, that theyre not exactly interested in running the red light system as it is, it dosent pay for itself, hence the speedcamera explosion and the Talivans. Its the only explanation i can think of.
It will backfire on them bigtime, hence the emergence of more direct action groups.
I see it like this, they declared war on motorists, and now theyve got one, or soon will have.
Its all so unnecessary too, all they have be, is reasonable and honest. Fat chance.
>> Edited by deltaf on Sunday 30th March 21:05
>> Edited by deltaf on Sunday 30th March 21:07
since they dont calculate the savings to the health service then red lite cameras are not a good earner. Whatever happened to the public good? My area is currently being saturated with 'the watchman' which is a camera I have not seen before but may as well be called 'the £££££££££££' since they are hidden on downhill sections or on uninhabited accident free roads (GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR). WTF is wrong with this country? Direct action seems the only way forward since the freedom hating/revenue generating government scum are completely taking the piss (had to stop to wipe flecks of foam off the VDU)
its funny you should say that deltaf - while i was at work today i saw 4 different cars being got by the only red light camera in my delivery patch. normally i see one every week but there was something different about today - answers on a postcard? - also - this camera IS live - my mates mum got done a while back (snigger) and shes a numpty queen - now with three points..... i always give em a wide berth but the same goes for gatsos - better safe than sorry - at least you can see red light cameras coming - thats something to be grateful for.
* - note that the constant stream of people i do see being got by the camera must mean its quite a money spinner but its on a long straight road so i suppose people hammering along just cant stop on amber and it becomes a kind of gatso.
>> Edited by paolow on Sunday 30th March 23:37
* - note that the constant stream of people i do see being got by the camera must mean its quite a money spinner but its on a long straight road so i suppose people hammering along just cant stop on amber and it becomes a kind of gatso.
>> Edited by paolow on Sunday 30th March 23:37
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