Discussion
now that my family has expanded the two seater does not get much use
so i have had a look at a few porsche a 964 [16000}and a 993{25000]
the 964 would allow me to keep the two seater open top but a few people havecast douts on this models merits oil leaks etc
or do i sell the car and buy a 993 which aperantly are bomb proof and can be run and serviced for a lot less
what do you think what have your experiance been with these models
so i have had a look at a few porsche a 964 [16000}and a 993{25000]
the 964 would allow me to keep the two seater open top but a few people havecast douts on this models merits oil leaks etc
or do i sell the car and buy a 993 which aperantly are bomb proof and can be run and serviced for a lot less
what do you think what have your experiance been with these models
Well they're both damn sexy, especially in turbo form, which is the only way to go these days. The 993tt has a shape to die for, whilst the turbo 2 has that classic silhouette. I think they both look equally awesome in deep graphite tones. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
It does seem the 993 has lower service bills when you look at the garage ads. However you must take into account it will cost at least 20k more than a t2 in the first place. Plus the 993tt has a bit more to go wrong of course; 4x4 transmission, two turbos etc.
Check out a rather sexy graphite t2 here...
www.autoclassica.co.uk/
I wouldn't say no to that beauty.
P.S How's the t2 running UV?
It does seem the 993 has lower service bills when you look at the garage ads. However you must take into account it will cost at least 20k more than a t2 in the first place. Plus the 993tt has a bit more to go wrong of course; 4x4 transmission, two turbos etc.
Check out a rather sexy graphite t2 here...
www.autoclassica.co.uk/
I wouldn't say no to that beauty.
P.S How's the t2 running UV?
If it's any help to you, I think the 993 is so desireable (looks, driving experience, reliability, practicality) I have even considered selling my 996 and "downgrading", (except that the 996 is so damn competent at everything, it would be daft to change it.)
964s are getting pretty old now, and at your budget (I assume 25k is max), I would be wary of 964 turbos which will have much higher running costs than an equivalent price 993. Autocar's Sutcliffe ran one for a few months and spent an outrageous sum of money keeping it on the road. Evo's Metcalfe had a 993 TT and also spent a tidy sum. Personally, I would buy normally aspirated to keep the costs down and the driving experience slightly purer (not that I don't love the turbos, mind).
I think 964 vs 993 comes down to purity of the driving experience against living with the car and running costs. What are your priorities? Also do a search on 964 RS vs 964 turbo - there was a discussion on here recently.
Nice decision to have to make, though, whatever you choose.
964s are getting pretty old now, and at your budget (I assume 25k is max), I would be wary of 964 turbos which will have much higher running costs than an equivalent price 993. Autocar's Sutcliffe ran one for a few months and spent an outrageous sum of money keeping it on the road. Evo's Metcalfe had a 993 TT and also spent a tidy sum. Personally, I would buy normally aspirated to keep the costs down and the driving experience slightly purer (not that I don't love the turbos, mind).
I think 964 vs 993 comes down to purity of the driving experience against living with the car and running costs. What are your priorities? Also do a search on 964 RS vs 964 turbo - there was a discussion on here recently.
Nice decision to have to make, though, whatever you choose.
Yup, search forum as this topic has been covered at some point.
Very quickly, if you want the better car, get the 993 budget-permitting.
If you want the better Porsche (read, enthusiast's sports car full of character) then look at both, very carefully indeed. The 964 will have more to go wrong with it and be more expensive to run, as a general rule, and feel a little more old fashioned. However, some would argue its rawness gives it character, and they like the classic shape.
Tell us your budget... here's my rough guide for a sensible car:
less than 15k - 964C2, manual, coupe LHD
15k-19k - 964C2 manual, coupe, RHD
19k-26k - 993C2 manual coupe LHD
26k + whatever 993 you can afford
and my rough for a real road racer:
less than 15k - 964C2 manual, coupe LHD or 968 Club Sport(!)
15k-19k - 964C2 manual, coupe, RHD
20k-25k - 965 Turbo 2 (ie 964 wide arch shape)
25k-33k - 964RS
33k-40k - 993 Turbo LHD
40k-45k - 993RS LHD
45k + 993RS or RSR etc.
All IMHO... but almost predictable from the Domster
Cheers
Domster
Very quickly, if you want the better car, get the 993 budget-permitting.
If you want the better Porsche (read, enthusiast's sports car full of character) then look at both, very carefully indeed. The 964 will have more to go wrong with it and be more expensive to run, as a general rule, and feel a little more old fashioned. However, some would argue its rawness gives it character, and they like the classic shape.
Tell us your budget... here's my rough guide for a sensible car:
less than 15k - 964C2, manual, coupe LHD
15k-19k - 964C2 manual, coupe, RHD
19k-26k - 993C2 manual coupe LHD
26k + whatever 993 you can afford
and my rough for a real road racer:
less than 15k - 964C2 manual, coupe LHD or 968 Club Sport(!)
15k-19k - 964C2 manual, coupe, RHD
20k-25k - 965 Turbo 2 (ie 964 wide arch shape)
25k-33k - 964RS
33k-40k - 993 Turbo LHD
40k-45k - 993RS LHD
45k + 993RS or RSR etc.
All IMHO... but almost predictable from the Domster
Cheers
Domster
In 3 years the blown pig in my sty has cost me nowt but the 98 octane juice that it quoffs with gusto.
I have spent precisely £0 ito actual faults.
Reliability is simply not an issue with pork. Frankly, it was the same with a 928S4 and an S2 before that.
And yesterday, as I battled with the scores of numptista and death wish biker fodder that bedevilled my attempts for warp drive, even the odd frustrated 'pull over, wait and nail it' moment of violent clutch/rev limiter dump-bump couldn't smoke any of the components into submission.
It doesn't matter what anyone says, pork rules, so bleedin' there.
Kill.
I have spent precisely £0 ito actual faults.
Reliability is simply not an issue with pork. Frankly, it was the same with a 928S4 and an S2 before that.
And yesterday, as I battled with the scores of numptista and death wish biker fodder that bedevilled my attempts for warp drive, even the odd frustrated 'pull over, wait and nail it' moment of violent clutch/rev limiter dump-bump couldn't smoke any of the components into submission.
It doesn't matter what anyone says, pork rules, so bleedin' there.
Kill.
tailslider said: Are thoses 993 RS models still around 60k RHD?
Yes. Auto Classica have (had?) two in. Am I right in saying only 7 were right hookers? I think they were both pretty similar in mileage as well.
They also have two (count 'em) 959s in at the moment
- one with a factory engine upgrade (550bhp) and the most hideous interior you've ever seen. Called "Tarantino Red" or something - I'd feel like I was driving from inside someone's lung. 
There were only 7 RHD 993RS Clubsports (RS-R's) made, one is ex Jez Gilman in silver and the other I think is Russel Grice's Riviera one. I know of one other in Riviera blue and one in Black (ex Jersey) but I am not sure of the other 3, sorry. Because of the rarity it seems that you can name a price for any of these 7 cars, so £70-75 seems about right even compared to the new GT3 wooly woofter Clubsport that has factory carpets and a bolted in cage, of all things!
The LHD RS-R is obviously more common, but they still fetch £45-55k depending on condition. Only the Boggo standard LHD RS will be in the £35-40 bracket unless exceptional, but no doubt the profiteering continental hawkers will ram the prices up accordingly now that they have engineered the 964RS-R and RS up to the £30-40k range.
The LHD RS-R is obviously more common, but they still fetch £45-55k depending on condition. Only the Boggo standard LHD RS will be in the £35-40 bracket unless exceptional, but no doubt the profiteering continental hawkers will ram the prices up accordingly now that they have engineered the 964RS-R and RS up to the £30-40k range.
Too many miles on the 964 for my liking - mainly resale reasons. If you wanted to keep it, then not so bad.
If running budget is *very* tight, the 993 makes more sense - and as you say, the turbos are probably out of the equation because of extra expense and complication.
Why is the 993 turbo look? Is it a bodykit? Remember that you can bodykit and old 3.0 to look like a 993 turbo! The only factory ones were the C4S and the C2S, and turbo bodykits on normal 993s are otherwise slightly frowned upon by buyers. Watch out for resale. Maybe take your time and look for a nice standard 993 (joel at RSJ always has a few, mostly LHD, but maybe one or two RHD)... he is at www.rsjsportscars.co.uk if I remember.
Cheers
Domster
If running budget is *very* tight, the 993 makes more sense - and as you say, the turbos are probably out of the equation because of extra expense and complication.
Why is the 993 turbo look? Is it a bodykit? Remember that you can bodykit and old 3.0 to look like a 993 turbo! The only factory ones were the C4S and the C2S, and turbo bodykits on normal 993s are otherwise slightly frowned upon by buyers. Watch out for resale. Maybe take your time and look for a nice standard 993 (joel at RSJ always has a few, mostly LHD, but maybe one or two RHD)... he is at www.rsjsportscars.co.uk if I remember.
Cheers
Domster
Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff