Discussion
I am new to the board so sorry if questions are already covered.
I have a deposit down for GT3 which should arrive in summer.
Have not completely decided on spec but looking at £14k of extras
inc PCCB,Laether,PCM/SatNAV and CS pack plus a few other useful bits.
Have just been looking at a thread with orange/black RS and am smitten.
Before i make a final decision on GT3 or RS can somebody answer the following questions please:
I think the only extra i will not need to pay for if i go for RS is LWBuckets so a saving of £3k+ but i will need to spend £1.6k ish on the Orange and black paint. Overall then my GT3 at £94k (inc extras) will become an RS at £102k ish - yes?
Is the noise from the RS different/better than the GT3?
I understand the laptimes on a normal (3mile say) circuit will be within 1 sec of each other. is this so?
It seems the gap between the 997 versions is much less than was evident in the 996 GT3 v RS is that right?
Am almost certain to go for white in the GT3. Can you get the GT3 with black wheels and are thier any pics of one? Think this may be a nice combo.
At the moment i can not see how the extra £8-9k can be worth it but i guess it's about the driving experiance which is not easy to value in £.
Is their anything else which I should consider when copmaring the merrits of owning the RS as opposed to the GT3?
Thanks for any assistance.
I have a deposit down for GT3 which should arrive in summer.
Have not completely decided on spec but looking at £14k of extras
inc PCCB,Laether,PCM/SatNAV and CS pack plus a few other useful bits.
Have just been looking at a thread with orange/black RS and am smitten.
Before i make a final decision on GT3 or RS can somebody answer the following questions please:
I think the only extra i will not need to pay for if i go for RS is LWBuckets so a saving of £3k+ but i will need to spend £1.6k ish on the Orange and black paint. Overall then my GT3 at £94k (inc extras) will become an RS at £102k ish - yes?
Is the noise from the RS different/better than the GT3?
I understand the laptimes on a normal (3mile say) circuit will be within 1 sec of each other. is this so?
It seems the gap between the 997 versions is much less than was evident in the 996 GT3 v RS is that right?
Am almost certain to go for white in the GT3. Can you get the GT3 with black wheels and are thier any pics of one? Think this may be a nice combo.
At the moment i can not see how the extra £8-9k can be worth it but i guess it's about the driving experiance which is not easy to value in £.
Is their anything else which I should consider when copmaring the merrits of owning the RS as opposed to the GT3?
Thanks for any assistance.
Rs is supposed to be completely focused on the track side of life, meaning that the day to day driving experience could be compromised. Personally if your wondering if you need an RS I dont think you do, RS owners know they are RS owners. (no offence)
The Rs will be a far rarer sight than the GT3 so you would feel residuals will be very strong.
I am hopefully going for a short term GT3 for the summer, I too could have had an RS, but its too extreme for my summer needs, and i'm no RS owner!
£14k of extras seems a lot, if your not in the car for the long term spec a little less, remember Porsche dealers dont tend to use Ky when its trade in time!
The Rs will be a far rarer sight than the GT3 so you would feel residuals will be very strong.
I am hopefully going for a short term GT3 for the summer, I too could have had an RS, but its too extreme for my summer needs, and i'm no RS owner!
£14k of extras seems a lot, if your not in the car for the long term spec a little less, remember Porsche dealers dont tend to use Ky when its trade in time!
Think the boldness and exclusivity of the RS got to me.
Your points are well made. Thanks.
Do a few track days but use a dedicated TDcar.
GT3 would be a 2nd car for weekend/sunny days and some driving holidays in Europe
(luggage via FedEx!!) and driving to track. May take it on track but nothing serious.
Had intended to keep it for a few years with low mileage hence high spec.
Only thing that concerns me is lack of clutchless gearbox. Think Porsche are
making a big mistake not having a first generation offering!!!
Your points are well made. Thanks.
Do a few track days but use a dedicated TDcar.
GT3 would be a 2nd car for weekend/sunny days and some driving holidays in Europe
(luggage via FedEx!!) and driving to track. May take it on track but nothing serious.
Had intended to keep it for a few years with low mileage hence high spec.
Only thing that concerns me is lack of clutchless gearbox. Think Porsche are
making a big mistake not having a first generation offering!!!
GO FOR THE RS!!
Took delivery of my Orange RS just before Xmas and could not be happier! Previously had a MK2 GT3 which was set-up by PARR (stage 2) and was, to be honest, a bit of a handful on public roads especially with all the speed humps; so ultimately I didn't use it as much as I should have. As for noise it sounds glorious (with sport button pressed) but I suspect no different from stock GT3, except when hot at idle as you get the clatter of the single mass flywheel.
Took delivery of my Orange RS just before Xmas and could not be happier! Previously had a MK2 GT3 which was set-up by PARR (stage 2) and was, to be honest, a bit of a handful on public roads especially with all the speed humps; so ultimately I didn't use it as much as I should have. As for noise it sounds glorious (with sport button pressed) but I suspect no different from stock GT3, except when hot at idle as you get the clatter of the single mass flywheel.
I guess it depends not only on how you will use the car, but also how long you will keep it for. If it's a long term car, if I had the choice I would go for the RS as these are less affected by drops when the next evolution 911 comes along. As this is unlikely to be in less than 5 years I would stick to the GT3 if you intend to trade in after a couple of years.
Nive dilemma -the orange and green are awesome!
Nive dilemma -the orange and green are awesome!
i think its purely down to which car you prefer, and do you like the looks of the RS.
The performance difference is certainly very small (the wide body will be slightly more stable on fast corners) - i'm still surprised they did not put more weight saving into the RS by say using some carbon fiber body panels
so - it depend do you wanna go damn fast and look damn fast, or go damn fast and look fast
i've gone for the GT3 - i prefer the more understated looks, and the proportions - but certainly see the appeal of both. Given the smaller difference in performance, would expect that the difference in residuals to be smaller than 996 GT3 vs RS
Remember of course you buy a new GT3 with the heart, not the head
The performance difference is certainly very small (the wide body will be slightly more stable on fast corners) - i'm still surprised they did not put more weight saving into the RS by say using some carbon fiber body panels
so - it depend do you wanna go damn fast and look damn fast, or go damn fast and look fast
i've gone for the GT3 - i prefer the more understated looks, and the proportions - but certainly see the appeal of both. Given the smaller difference in performance, would expect that the difference in residuals to be smaller than 996 GT3 vs RS
Remember of course you buy a new GT3 with the heart, not the head
I find these sort of threads interesting because as far as I am aware nobody here has yet tracked a 997 GT3 or RS and certainly not done any back to back tests. I know it is not all about track performance, but there seems to be a lot of opinions based on what people read or are are told by others.
Surely if you want an out and out track car you go for the RS. Why are we worrying about depreciation on £100k cars? Get the one you want. Or if money is a considereation wait a year or so and buy a used one after it has lost a few quid.
Surely if you want an out and out track car you go for the RS. Why are we worrying about depreciation on £100k cars? Get the one you want. Or if money is a considereation wait a year or so and buy a used one after it has lost a few quid.
Jcosh said:
I find these sort of threads interesting because as far as I am aware nobody here has yet tracked a 997 GT3 or RS and certainly not done any back to back tests. I know it is not all about track performance, but there seems to be a lot of opinions based on what people read or are are told by others.
Surely if you want an out and out track car you go for the RS. Why are we worrying about depreciation on £100k cars? Get the one you want. Or if money is a considereation wait a year or so and buy a used one after it has lost a few quid.
Surely if you want an out and out track car you go for the RS. Why are we worrying about depreciation on £100k cars? Get the one you want. Or if money is a considereation wait a year or so and buy a used one after it has lost a few quid.
When the likes of Walter Rohrl and Richard Westbrook spoke about the 997 GT3 RS they indicated that the suspension set-up on the RS made it easier to drive nearer 10/10ths than the 997 GT3. The GT3 is an incredible machine with amazing road/track abilities. The RS takes everything one level further on. Like for like the are £14,000 apart in monetary terms but the finer points can only be appreciated by driving the car. Anyone who has driven/owned a 996 GT3 and 996 GT3 RS would understand this. The difference is similar to driving a Boxster S 986 and then a Boxster S 987.
Reading the official spec sheet you could be fooled into thinking it is just s marketing ploy by Porsche to extract more money from us...it isn't
regardless of whhich is better , GT3 or the RS - the price differnce shows Porsche is not shy about exploiting its customer base.
Reason i say this is i wonder what the marginal cost is of producing the RS vs the GT3, which parts are that much more expensive? Same brakes, drivetrain, wheels, tyres (ok lighter flywheel)
Does a plastic rear window, lighter flywheel,wide body and a stripe really cost 14k?
Bear in mind this is the approx the same difference as between the Carrera S and the GT3 !!!!
Reason i say this is i wonder what the marginal cost is of producing the RS vs the GT3, which parts are that much more expensive? Same brakes, drivetrain, wheels, tyres (ok lighter flywheel)
Does a plastic rear window, lighter flywheel,wide body and a stripe really cost 14k?
Bear in mind this is the approx the same difference as between the Carrera S and the GT3 !!!!
I think the only person that can give the definative answer to
'is the RS worth the extra 14k over the GT3'...is Mr Rohl himself at this stage...
we can all give our opinions on the differneces between the 996 GT3 vs 996 RS, as there is much
experience on here of both types especially on track...
I think it will be a good few months (and hopefully some more more subjective Mag reviews), before
specific opinions of the 2 cars filter through....so until then, you just have to decide whether to go
with your heart, or your head
G.
'is the RS worth the extra 14k over the GT3'...is Mr Rohl himself at this stage...
we can all give our opinions on the differneces between the 996 GT3 vs 996 RS, as there is much
experience on here of both types especially on track...
I think it will be a good few months (and hopefully some more more subjective Mag reviews), before
specific opinions of the 2 cars filter through....so until then, you just have to decide whether to go
with your heart, or your head
G.
Think i will stick with the GT3 but know that every time i see
that orange or green RS it will get me tingling. Whichever way i splice it
the GT3 is a great car and i can do allot with £14k.
I will be interested to see how the two compare when people get them on track in good weather.
that orange or green RS it will get me tingling. Whichever way i splice it
the GT3 is a great car and i can do allot with £14k.
I will be interested to see how the two compare when people get them on track in good weather.
Scampster – that’s an interesting comment you make about Porsche not yet using a (presumably foot operated) clutchless transmission. Some years ago, they ran a 962 with this DSG gearbox which was and is brilliant. The only problem with them is they are heavy units and so far, the weight’s been too much of a penalty, on a circuit at least. Rumour has it that they’ll be a Turbo with a DSG unit quite soon. There’s plenty of in-VAG-house experience with it now.
Personal opinion only of course, but if I spent £90K and what I really wanted was £104K, I think I would have wasted my original £90K!
Personal opinion only of course, but if I spent £90K and what I really wanted was £104K, I think I would have wasted my original £90K!
I know it's only a small difference, but the slimmer body of the standard GT3 may make it a little more agile down aa narrow country road.
The only thing that really put me off the 996GT3RS over the GT3 was that it was minus an extra 10mm of ground clearance with a (theoretical ?) 60mm only.
Single mass flywheel ? Yes please !
(A standard road bump should be less than 100mm --- otherwise the council may get to pay for the repair.)
The only thing that really put me off the 996GT3RS over the GT3 was that it was minus an extra 10mm of ground clearance with a (theoretical ?) 60mm only.
Single mass flywheel ? Yes please !
(A standard road bump should be less than 100mm --- otherwise the council may get to pay for the repair.)
Edited by chrisw. on Saturday 6th January 20:07
ArticM said:
regardless of whhich is better , GT3 or the RS - the price differnce shows Porsche is not shy about exploiting its customer base.
Reason i say this is i wonder what the marginal cost is of producing the RS vs the GT3, which parts are that much more expensive? Same brakes, drivetrain, wheels, tyres (ok lighter flywheel)
Does a plastic rear window, lighter flywheel,wide body and a stripe really cost 14k?
Bear in mind this is the approx the same difference as between the Carrera S and the GT3 !!!!
Reason i say this is i wonder what the marginal cost is of producing the RS vs the GT3, which parts are that much more expensive? Same brakes, drivetrain, wheels, tyres (ok lighter flywheel)
Does a plastic rear window, lighter flywheel,wide body and a stripe really cost 14k?
Bear in mind this is the approx the same difference as between the Carrera S and the GT3 !!!!
Reckon the marginal cost is maybe 3000 quid+ given the carbon wing, fly wheel, wider track, presuming it has cast hollow mag uprights etc (as per the 996 RS), split control arms, different rear subframe. All of these made in lowish volumes. Whether all of these parts are of any benefit when running as a road car is of course a different matter, but I'm sure it feels more special when you get in. It certainly does on the 996 generation.
Actually the 997 GT3 has the hollow mag uprights from the 996 GT3 RS. That seems to explain part of why they apparently drive better than the 996 GT3. Some discussion of the suspension parts on rennlist if anyone is interested. ( http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums )
Edited by DanH on Friday 5th January 00:25
I suspect the choice for the normal mortal is down to heart & how much you like the "latest bestest shinest toy" (and nothing wrong with that). I kind of doubt most people would be able to exploit any additional extra track capability of the RS, to me there is no "it'll be better on track days" justification.
997gt3 said:
The VW Golf comes with a DSG box - perhaps Porsche are going to use that if they own some of VW?
Last I heard, the problem with the DSG box was that on higher powered motors it has clutch wear issues. Seems like it is only ready for the mainstream on smaller lumps right now, hence the paddle shift on the Audi R8 being based on the Gallardo box (which is not not a DSG). They will get there eventually, though personally I will always have a preference for (inexpertly) mashing my own cogs
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