Cr@p sounding Stereo
Discussion
I don't know much about this stuff, so I wonder if the PH massive (booyakasha) could help?
I have just replaced my crap head unit in my old Seat Ibize tin jalopy with a CD Tuner from JVC, and also two 13cm Kenwood speakers that fit nicely in the door surround.
Trouble is they still sound crap, and there is definatly no bass - unless you like distorted music.
How can I get them to sound better and bassier, I realise I should get some speakers for the parcel shelf, but I'll have to make one up as the one in there would snap if I put anything heavier than a piece of paper on it.
Help - I need me tunes man! Respec to da Maxy Powa cru! Wikkid and all that...
I have just replaced my crap head unit in my old Seat Ibize tin jalopy with a CD Tuner from JVC, and also two 13cm Kenwood speakers that fit nicely in the door surround.
Trouble is they still sound crap, and there is definatly no bass - unless you like distorted music.
How can I get them to sound better and bassier, I realise I should get some speakers for the parcel shelf, but I'll have to make one up as the one in there would snap if I put anything heavier than a piece of paper on it.
Help - I need me tunes man! Respec to da Maxy Powa cru! Wikkid and all that...
The amount of bass your going to get out of a 13cm (5") cone is always going to be limited unless you have some very clever baffling and enclosure behind it and in a door thats going to be very difficult 
A simple fix if you don't want to make a MDF shelf for the hatch or fill the boot with subs would be a small under seat active bass driver
A simple fix if you don't want to make a MDF shelf for the hatch or fill the boot with subs would be a small under seat active bass driver
Podie said: As Raceboy says... you'll get somewhere between "naff all" and "nowt" when it comes to bass from speakers that small.
What car is it BTW?
Generally, you'll be looking for 2 speakers in the rear to sort it out...
That was my inkly feeling that you guys were going to say that.
MDF Parcel shefl is probably my only way out then? Is it easy to do?
The car is a Seat Ibiza 92' old shape (porsche tuned engine though!) - if that helps.
You will alo find that it will still be distorted with two speakers after a certain volume, due to the amp in the stereo being the size of a pea. To really sort the system in a car, without going stupid, I'd say you need two rear 6x9's which will produce more than enough bass, when coupled to a decent amp. Along with your current speakers. The amp doesn't need to be expensive or large to make a hell of a difference.
neil_cardiff said:
Podie said: As Raceboy says... you'll get somewhere between "naff all" and "nowt" when it comes to bass from speakers that small.
What car is it BTW?
Generally, you'll be looking for 2 speakers in the rear to sort it out...
That was my inkly feeling that you guys were going to say that.
MDF Parcel shefl is probably my only way out then? Is it easy to do?
The car is a Seat Ibiza 92' old shape (porsche tuned engine though!) - if that helps.
Might be easier (read slightly more expensive) to buy a "stealth shelf". These are pre-cut parcel shelves that have holes for speakers... but the speakers can't be seen from the top (hence stealth).
Alternatively, pop along to your local ICE dealer and say, I want... how much will it cost?
moleamol said: You will alo find that it will still be distorted with two speakers after a certain volume, due to the amp in the stereo being the size of a pea. To really sort the system in a car, without going stupid, I'd say you need two rear 6x9's which will produce more than enough bass, when coupled to a decent amp. Along with your current speakers. The amp doesn't need to be expensive or large to make a hell of a difference.
What is the cheapset amp to do that then?
I reckon one of the smaller £99 jobs will make a lot of difference. Mine was about £400 and is a Planet Audio 4x100 watts (RMS) job. I've got some really nice Cerwin Vega Speakers and they still cant handle 100 watts each from the amp. I can only turn the head unit up to just over half, but that is way more than enough. Even doing 100 in the integrale that is much more than enough. I'll have a quick look for you if I get a sec (from PH not work 
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raceboy said: I would guess if your handy with a JigSaw you could get the whole lot done for £100 (bit of MDF, acoustic cloth, 6x9's and a small amp) and a weekend to fit it all
One thing to remember though is check your shelf brackets are upto the job of supporting the heavier shelf
One of them is snpped so I'm going to struggle there - what about other ways of doing it?
raceboy said: Well the options probably are....
Fix the bracket, or make new heavy duty ones.
Scrap the 6x9's idea and have a sub and amp boxed in the boot.
The under seat bass driver I mentioned earlier.
Fit the 6x9's in the rear doors/panels but thats hard work
I quite like the under seat driver - the missus I'm sure would too
Where might I find me one of these?
I personally prefer 7x10's in a rear parcel shelf, and as you lot are saying - run a small amp with it as the head unit will be struggling.
I am running an Alpine CDA head unit running 60w per channel. I still use an amp for my rear shelf though - it makes it sound so much clearer. The MDF shelf is easy enough to make and the brackets shouldnt be too hard to either replace or fix stronger than before.
If you need cheap - go for a Pro Plus booty setup - good quality starting system.
I am running an Alpine CDA head unit running 60w per channel. I still use an amp for my rear shelf though - it makes it sound so much clearer. The MDF shelf is easy enough to make and the brackets shouldnt be too hard to either replace or fix stronger than before.
If you need cheap - go for a Pro Plus booty setup - good quality starting system.
Neil
You dont say what the output of your head unit is.
I have a kenwood headunit putting out 4x25w which was enough to power the 6" two ways in the doors and the 6x9" three ways in the rear shelf. My mate could not believe it was not amped.
It then got a little silly with a 12" base tube, amp and speakers all over the place. The tube used to move so much air that the rear view mirror was useless
unless on really low
You dont say what the output of your head unit is.
I have a kenwood headunit putting out 4x25w which was enough to power the 6" two ways in the doors and the 6x9" three ways in the rear shelf. My mate could not believe it was not amped.
It then got a little silly with a 12" base tube, amp and speakers all over the place. The tube used to move so much air that the rear view mirror was useless
unless on really low You will only get what you pay for when it comes to hifi.
Go cheap and it'll sound cheap.
I have a Clarion DXZ818RMP and Kicker Resolution R6c mids and R25 Tweeters in the doors and a further pair of R6c mids in the rear parcel shelf.
The clarion allows you to fine tune your sound to quite a degree.
This setup is NOT amped, as i get all the base and volume i need clear and crisp without distortion at any volume i've had the guts to try.....that includes standing outside the car with the remote and turning up the power.......just to see/hear
The opening riffs of Led Zepplins "Whole lotta love" send chills down my spine every time on this.
www.clarion.co.uk
www.kicker.com
>> Edited by swilly on Wednesday 2nd April 14:07
Go cheap and it'll sound cheap.
I have a Clarion DXZ818RMP and Kicker Resolution R6c mids and R25 Tweeters in the doors and a further pair of R6c mids in the rear parcel shelf.
The clarion allows you to fine tune your sound to quite a degree.
This setup is NOT amped, as i get all the base and volume i need clear and crisp without distortion at any volume i've had the guts to try.....that includes standing outside the car with the remote and turning up the power.......just to see/hear
The opening riffs of Led Zepplins "Whole lotta love" send chills down my spine every time on this.
www.clarion.co.uk
www.kicker.com
>> Edited by swilly on Wednesday 2nd April 14:07
DennisTheMenace said: Have you checked the polarity on the speakers ? if they are both different one speaker will cancel out the other and you will get farty distorted bass , instead of adding more speakers to the rear just get a sub to do the low tones and get a set of high pass filters for the fronts ,
Without sounding stoopid but how do I do that?
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