Can I try to scam a Scammer...!

[mbutchers]

Got the car up for sale, and have had some interest from the usual suspect scammers.

Scammer said:

Hello,
Thanks for your mail.I will not be able to come and view the car in person because i live in Australia.Please i want to make the payment for this (2003 PORSCHE 911 2dr Carrera 2 Cabriolet) as soon as possible.I am okay with your price for the (2003 PORSCHE 911 2dr Carrera 2 Cabriolet) and please i will have to make the payment via a client of mine ,i will instruct him to send the money to you,he will transfer the money into your account,then you will deduct your price for the (2003 PORSCHE 911 2dr Carrera 2 Cabriolet) and send the remaining balance to the international shipping company that will be taking care of the shipment of the (2003 PORSCHE 911 2dr Carrera 2 Cabriolet) for me.So please i want you to get back to me with your full banking information details where my client will transfer the money to,like name and all that is necessary for the mone transfer into your account.Please i will be looking forward to see your mail,so that we can conclude this deal.
Regards.

The question is, is there anyway to try any double bluff these 'Scum'....
Any Ideas welcome......

[Fidgits]

www.419eater.com for inspiration

[Goochie]

Regular members of scoobynet may remember a chap about 2 years ago who scammed a scammer for a good couple of weeks. Including telling him stories of how he was an emotional wreck following the death of his goldfish etc.

[willdew]

mbutchers said:

Got the car up for sale, and have had some interest from the usual suspect scammers.

Scammer said:

Hello,
Thanks for your mail.I will not be able to come and view the car in person because i live in Australia.Please i want to make the payment for this (2003 PORSCHE 911 2dr Carrera 2 Cabriolet) as soon as possible.I am okay with your price for the (2003 PORSCHE 911 2dr Carrera 2 Cabriolet) and please i will have to make the payment via a client of mine ,i will instruct him to send the money to you,he will transfer the money into your account,then you will deduct your price for the (2003 PORSCHE 911 2dr Carrera 2 Cabriolet) and send the remaining balance to the international shipping company that will be taking care of the shipment of the (2003 PORSCHE 911 2dr Carrera 2 Cabriolet) for me.So please i want you to get back to me with your full banking information details where my client will transfer the money to,like name and all that is necessary for the mone transfer into your account.Please i will be looking forward to see your mail,so that we can conclude this deal.
Regards.

The question is, is there anyway to try any double bluff these 'Scum'....
Any Ideas welcome......

There's a whole sport called 419 baiting that I think looks fun. I can't believe they aren't better at scamming than this. I realise they don't have our western levels of education, and English isn't their first language, but I'd have thought they'd know they'd get a much better payback on their scams if they made up more plausible stories and refined the letter they sent out into better English.

[cptsideways]

Suggest to go ahead with it, arrange a pick up point of convenience like somewhere obscure or inside London's road toll tax fence just for the hell of it. When they ring to ask where you are say sorry I forgot, come & meet me at work -insert Somewhere miles away-

[mbutchers]

willdew said:

There's a whole sport called 419 baiting that I think looks fun. I can't believe they aren't better at scamming than this. I realise they don't have our western levels of education, and English isn't their first language, but I'd have thought they'd know they'd get a much better payback on their scams if they made up more plausible stories and refined the letter they sent out into better English.

I know, it's amazing, I'm not sure they get the idea of car buying in the UK..! I think if they e-mailed me trying to knock £5k off the price, I'd take them more seriously, but offering full asking price is just ludicrous......

[kayc]

mbutchers said:

willdew said:

There's a whole sport called 419 baiting that I think looks fun. I can't believe they aren't better at scamming than this. I realise they don't have our western levels of education, and English isn't their first language, but I'd have thought they'd know they'd get a much better payback on their scams if they made up more plausible stories and refined the letter they sent out into better English.

I know, it's amazing, I'm not sure they get the idea of car buying in the UK..! I think if they e-mailed me trying to knock £5k off the price, I'd take them more seriously, but offering full asking price is just ludicrous......

Especially as its so expensive

[mbutchers]

cptsideways said:

Suggest to go ahead with it, arrange a pick up point of convenience like somewhere obscure or inside London's road toll tax fence just for the hell of it. When they ring to ask where you are say sorry I forgot, come & meet me at work -insert Somewhere miles away-

The idea is that they live in Australia, and I send money to a shipping company (which is the scam), so there is to be no direct contact.....

[GuyS.]

Fidgits said:

www.419eater.com for inspiration

That's the greatest web site ever.

'Just one more photo please and this time put a loaf of bread on your head'

Pure Class.

[mbutchers]

kayc said:

mbutchers said:

willdew said:

There's a whole sport called 419 baiting that I think looks fun. I can't believe they aren't better at scamming than this. I realise they don't have our western levels of education, and English isn't their first language, but I'd have thought they'd know they'd get a much better payback on their scams if they made up more plausible stories and refined the letter they sent out into better English.

I know, it's amazing, I'm not sure they get the idea of car buying in the UK..! I think if they e-mailed me trying to knock £5k off the price, I'd take them more seriously, but offering full asking price is just ludicrous......

Especially as its so expensive

I'm trying to pitch it in the middle of the dealer bid/offer spread - So, £10k above what my OPC offered should do it....

[kayc]

mbutchers said:

kayc said:

mbutchers said:

willdew said:

There's a whole sport called 419 baiting that I think looks fun. I can't believe they aren't better at scamming than this. I realise they don't have our western levels of education, and English isn't their first language, but I'd have thought they'd know they'd get a much better payback on their scams if they made up more plausible stories and refined the letter they sent out into better English.

I know, it's amazing, I'm not sure they get the idea of car buying in the UK..! I think if they e-mailed me trying to knock £5k off the price, I'd take them more seriously, but offering full asking price is just ludicrous......

Especially as its so expensive

I'm trying to pitch it in the middle of the dealer bid/offer spread - So, £10k above what my OPC offered should do it....

Have you tried the specialists they are normally very fair?

[magic torch]

It's been much better round here since the air was cleared.

[911wise]

mbutchers said:

cptsideways said:

Suggest to go ahead with it, arrange a pick up point of convenience like somewhere obscure or inside London's road toll tax fence just for the hell of it. When they ring to ask where you are say sorry I forgot, come & meet me at work -insert Somewhere miles away-

The idea is that they live in Australia, and I send money to a shipping company (which is the scam), so there is to be no direct contact.....

Erm the scam is you give them your bank details. End.
As no money is ever going to change hands you cant really take them for anything, best to probally have some fun with them,play the fool and see what else they try and push you for.

[sleep envy]

magic torch said:

It's been much better round here since the air was cleared.

personally I miss the back slapping

you can't beat a good backslap

[magic torch]

sleep envy said:

magic torch said:

It's been much better round here since the air was cleared.

personally I miss the back slapping

you can't beat a good backslap

:backslap:

:injoke:

:doublebackslap:

[mbutchers]

911wise said:

mbutchers said:

cptsideways said:

Suggest to go ahead with it, arrange a pick up point of convenience like somewhere obscure or inside London's road toll tax fence just for the hell of it. When they ring to ask where you are say sorry I forgot, come & meet me at work -insert Somewhere miles away-

The idea is that they live in Australia, and I send money to a shipping company (which is the scam), so there is to be no direct contact.....

Erm the scam is you give them your bank details. End.
As no money is ever going to change hands you cant really take them for anything, best to probally have some fun with them,play the fool and see what else they try and push you for.

I checked with my bank, and there's nothing they can do with just the Acc No and the Sort code. I think they tranfer money in that doesn't exist, by the time the bank tells you that the transfer failed, you have hopefully already sent the shipping fee off to the shipping company.

[1231]

Having matching names, acct numbers and sort codes opens the door to all kinds of fraud attacks.

A fax arrives from "you" telling your bank that you will buying a house and will need to move some money, a follow up fax arrives with "your" passport photocopied on it instructing them that you need 2,500 wired immediatley to I M Scammer and Co, solicitors.

Probably won't work but if the internal controls at the target bank aren't strong enough or if they are having a bad dday it just might.

Matching personal banking details are the key thing without them no scamm attack can get off the ground.

[911wise]

mbutchers said:

911wise said:

mbutchers said:

cptsideways said:

Suggest to go ahead with it, arrange a pick up point of convenience like somewhere obscure or inside London's road toll tax fence just for the hell of it. When they ring to ask where you are say sorry I forgot, come & meet me at work -insert Somewhere miles away-

The idea is that they live in Australia, and I send money to a shipping company (which is the scam), so there is to be no direct contact.....

Erm the scam is you give them your bank details. End.
As no money is ever going to change hands you cant really take them for anything, best to probally have some fun with them,play the fool and see what else they try and push you for.

I checked with my bank, and there's nothing they can do with just the Acc No and the Sort code. I think they tranfer money in that doesn't exist, by the time the bank tells you that the transfer failed, you have hopefully already sent the shipping fee off to the shipping company.

They wouldn't leave it at account number and sort code, if you gave them that they would then try you for something else, a signed letter etc. As 1231 points out a name sort code and account number is just key they will try to use to open other doors. They may not be able to take money out of your account with this info but it would not stop them building an identity fraud. Applying for loans in your name credit cards etc.

Edited by 911wise on Tuesday 9th January 16:43

[hoges11]

kayc said:

mbutchers said:

kayc said:

mbutchers said:

willdew said:

There's a whole sport called 419 baiting that I think looks fun. I can't believe they aren't better at scamming than this. I realise they don't have our western levels of education, and English isn't their first language, but I'd have thought they'd know they'd get a much better payback on their scams if they made up more plausible stories and refined the letter they sent out into better English.

I know, it's amazing, I'm not sure they get the idea of car buying in the UK..! I think if they e-mailed me trying to knock £5k off the price, I'd take them more seriously, but offering full asking price is just ludicrous......

Especially as its so expensive

I'm trying to pitch it in the middle of the dealer bid/offer spread - So, £10k above what my OPC offered should do it....

Have you tried the specialists they are normally very fair?

Its like being in the Alps

Edited by hoges11 on Tuesday 9th January 16:53

[Davey S2]

Guy on the Lotus forum SELOC has one on the go at the moment.

He's trying to get a picture from the scammer of him holding up a sign saying 'I love SELOC men'