I suspect I'm going to regret this.... a question please....
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Chaps, I've just done a search on the word Cayenne and found all sorts of diatribes on it not being a proper Porsche, how awful it is etc etc etc. No pleasant reading.
I would like to make a couple of things clear before I ask the obvious questions:
1 - Yes it's for my wife.
2 - Yes it's a gas guzzling, tree munching, pedestrian slaying 4x4.
3 - We live in the country. It's the green stuff beyond the Watford gap that involves narrow lanes, mud, sticks, snow and so on, hence for the safety of my wife and two under 2's, I would feel a 4x4 is advisable.
4 - No I do not own any other Porsche.
5 - Yes I am a Petrolhead, however my wife most definitely is not.
6 - No I do not own any Hugo Boss suits, I get my tailoring done in Savile Row and Jermyn Street.
7 - Both my wife and I hate football.
8 - I'm now bored of bullet points.
So the question is, what should I look out for? We test drove a Cayenne S this afternoon and were very impressed. Toerag V10 has been dispateched for wallowing around and making us both queasy, the Lexus RX for being plastic, we both dislike Mercs, the Range Rover test drive is tomorrow, and we are currently selling our X5 4.4 V8, so it would appear the only box remaining unticked.
Budget is £30k which would seem to get a decent low-mile V8 with a few toys. Is it worth going through dealers for the warranty, or is private / specialist okay? Any other thoughts you could add to the pile?
Many thanks in advance.
I would like to make a couple of things clear before I ask the obvious questions:
1 - Yes it's for my wife.
2 - Yes it's a gas guzzling, tree munching, pedestrian slaying 4x4.
3 - We live in the country. It's the green stuff beyond the Watford gap that involves narrow lanes, mud, sticks, snow and so on, hence for the safety of my wife and two under 2's, I would feel a 4x4 is advisable.
4 - No I do not own any other Porsche.
5 - Yes I am a Petrolhead, however my wife most definitely is not.
6 - No I do not own any Hugo Boss suits, I get my tailoring done in Savile Row and Jermyn Street.
7 - Both my wife and I hate football.
8 - I'm now bored of bullet points.
So the question is, what should I look out for? We test drove a Cayenne S this afternoon and were very impressed. Toerag V10 has been dispateched for wallowing around and making us both queasy, the Lexus RX for being plastic, we both dislike Mercs, the Range Rover test drive is tomorrow, and we are currently selling our X5 4.4 V8, so it would appear the only box remaining unticked.
Budget is £30k which would seem to get a decent low-mile V8 with a few toys. Is it worth going through dealers for the warranty, or is private / specialist okay? Any other thoughts you could add to the pile?
Many thanks in advance.
Don't listen to narrow minded people who have never driven one, I just got a Turbo and it is superb and this is my 4th Porsche.
Would recommend that you buy from an OPC as you will get a warranty, because if anything goes it can be expensive. Air suspension is a must and try and get 20" wheels as they look the best.
Other than that, haggle as the new model is out in the next few months.
Would recommend that you buy from an OPC as you will get a warranty, because if anything goes it can be expensive. Air suspension is a must and try and get 20" wheels as they look the best.
Other than that, haggle as the new model is out in the next few months.
hot pepper said:
Don't listen to narrow minded people who have never driven one, I just got a Turbo and it is superb and this is my 4th Porsche.
Would recommend that you buy from an OPC as you will get a warranty, because if anything goes it can be expensive. Air suspension is a must and try and get 20" wheels as they look the best.
Other than that, haggle as the new model is out in the next few months.
Would recommend that you buy from an OPC as you will get a warranty, because if anything goes it can be expensive. Air suspension is a must and try and get 20" wheels as they look the best.
Other than that, haggle as the new model is out in the next few months.
My OPC is already full of promotional gear for the new Cayenne, with videos playing on the monitors and so on. If a 4x4 is a must, then there's not a lot wrong with a Cayenne to be fair. If it were me, I'd hang on for the new X5 - but you may not want to wait. If it has to be a Cayenne - go for a second-hand one for now unless you're getting the new model. No sense throwing money away, as the old models will take a hefty hit when the new thing-to-have arrives.
As said before try and get the best car for your money ,shop around and get a decent spec 1 air suspension is great on them but tempremental as are most of the other things on the cayenne gearboxes are weak and are collapsing by the dozens whenever im at my local opc there are always a couple in for gearbox problems.
The gearboxes cost in excess of £5k so make sure you get an OPC warranty.
The cars drive great and unless you are a total speed freak and like the petrol station you will not need a turbo.
The electrics on them are full of gremlins so beware make sure everything works..if you go down the private route get it checked over independantly and have a full diagnostic report done so you have peace of mind with all the control units on the vehicle.
Hope this helps.
Mike
Sports and classic
The gearboxes cost in excess of £5k so make sure you get an OPC warranty.
The cars drive great and unless you are a total speed freak and like the petrol station you will not need a turbo.
The electrics on them are full of gremlins so beware make sure everything works..if you go down the private route get it checked over independantly and have a full diagnostic report done so you have peace of mind with all the control units on the vehicle.
Hope this helps.
Mike
Sports and classic
Being true sports cars enthusiasts, we assumed that when we bought in a couple of Cayennes recently (to familiarise ourselves with them and prepare ourselves for future sales and servicing etc) - we would find them clumsy and not proper Porsche's. How wrong we were - both engine sizes, manual and tiptronic, with or without air suspension are great cars, feel like a Porsche and don't feel big at all when driving.
In fact we are now converted. Perhaps most of those that criticise them have not actually been in one!
Comfy, sophisticated, stylish, quick, good handling, what more do you want!
Baz Hartech
In fact we are now converted. Perhaps most of those that criticise them have not actually been in one!
Comfy, sophisticated, stylish, quick, good handling, what more do you want!
Baz Hartech
hartech said:
Being true sports cars enthusiasts, we assumed that when we bought in a couple of Cayennes recently (to familiarise ourselves with them and prepare ourselves for future sales and servicing etc) - we would find them clumsy and not proper Porsche's. How wrong we were - both engine sizes, manual and tiptronic, with or without air suspension are great cars, feel like a Porsche and don't feel big at all when driving.
In fact we are now converted. Perhaps most of those that criticise them have not actually been in one!
Comfy, sophisticated, stylish, quick, good handling, what more do you want!
Baz Hartech
A diesel engine perhaps?...a family car averaging between 8 and 18mpg depending on use imo is pointless just for shifting kids around and going shopping.imho of course. In fact we are now converted. Perhaps most of those that criticise them have not actually been in one!
Comfy, sophisticated, stylish, quick, good handling, what more do you want!
Baz Hartech
t livingstone redleicester said:
kayc said:
A diesel engine perhaps?...a family car averaging between 8 and 18mpg depending on use imo is pointless just for shifting kids around and going shopping.imho of course.
Here we go...
actually i think this post is perfectly sensible.
i too live i the muddy outback. my wife has a huge petrol guzzling jeep which does about 14mpg. i have a low-to-the-ground rwd sports car. I manage just as well as she does - and i do nearly all the child shifting. frankly the only reason we have a 4x4 is because she wanted one. trying to justify it on grounds of living in the country is disingenuous. 4x4 are no safer than "normal" cars, infact they still struggle to achieve anywhere near the same ncap ratings.
by all means get one. but lets be honest, virtually no one "needs" one unless they tow stuff, and even then an audi quattro tdi does a better job - just as practical, safer and more economical.
kayc said:
redleicester said:
kayc said:
A diesel engine perhaps?...a family car averaging between 8 and 18mpg depending on use imo is pointless just for shifting kids around and going shopping.imho of course.
Here we go...
Okay, in my very humble opinion, which is obviously only the opinion of a humble person, living at the top of a 1-in-4 single track lane with a 1-in-3 top section, unmetalled and surrounded by similarly steep hills, mud and sticks, and posessing the money to grant me the choice I would sleep more soundly knowing my wife and children were in a car that could protect them, help her get where she needs to be and that that alone takes precedence over any shirt-lifting, tree-hugging rampant leftie agenda to which I do not personally subscribe. Western capitalism at its best.
Furthermore I wouldn't count driving to and around my sisters farm in Cumbria, or to the French / Swiss alps for recreation as "just popping to the shops", bit of a stereotype there methinks.
Opinions are very welcome, that is what a public forum is for. As for economy, well I already own one other V8, my TVR which is perfectly capable of single figures on a good day, yet weighs less than half the Porsche, is probably real-world slower in the wrong conditions and is certainly less safe.
Finally, trying to convince someone who already professes to own a V8 4x4 of the lack of need of a second is a bit like persuading parents of the merits of contraception - it may make sense, but in the cold light of day it's a little late.
Oooh, another post. Oh goodie, I'm going to hell. I want a 4x4 for my wife, I am damned.
Oh well, at least I'll have a good chat with Noel Coward and James Brown when I'm there. Could make for a fun jam session too.
Aside from its early interests in tractors (Allgaier),Porsche built its reputation through racing and 'sports cars'.
However, in its quest to protect its independence, it had to expand to increase profits. Porsche's most cruicial market is the US, and it recognised the potential for a big SUV. This was developed in tandem with VW and the resulting Toureg/Cayenne is a pretty impressive achievement, being very capable on and off road. It has been a sales success, accounting for almost half of all Porsche production.
However, it has polarised opinions. The critics would say that it is too big, too ugly, too thirsty and has damaged Porsche's sporting image (none of which is likely to worry the Americans). Against that, it is Porsche's most profitable model, and that enables the rest of us to enjoy the fruits of those profits in the form of ever improving Boxster/Cayenne, 997, and especially the Carrera Gt, GT2s, GT3s.
Whether someone chooses to buy one is purely down to personal choice.
However, in its quest to protect its independence, it had to expand to increase profits. Porsche's most cruicial market is the US, and it recognised the potential for a big SUV. This was developed in tandem with VW and the resulting Toureg/Cayenne is a pretty impressive achievement, being very capable on and off road. It has been a sales success, accounting for almost half of all Porsche production.
However, it has polarised opinions. The critics would say that it is too big, too ugly, too thirsty and has damaged Porsche's sporting image (none of which is likely to worry the Americans). Against that, it is Porsche's most profitable model, and that enables the rest of us to enjoy the fruits of those profits in the form of ever improving Boxster/Cayenne, 997, and especially the Carrera Gt, GT2s, GT3s.
Whether someone chooses to buy one is purely down to personal choice.
Having driven a Cayenne and a few others of the ilk (i used to love my Range Rover classic) i have to say my favourite drive was the X5.
The 4.4 is a great car (you know, that's what you have now) and i was also mightily impressed with the 3.0d Sport (with auto box).
I think if it was my money and my missus wanted a Chelsea tractor i'd be getting a 3.0d X5 Sport auto.
The 4.4 is a great car (you know, that's what you have now) and i was also mightily impressed with the 3.0d Sport (with auto box).
I think if it was my money and my missus wanted a Chelsea tractor i'd be getting a 3.0d X5 Sport auto.
redleicester said:
Oh and that's right, they're unsafe too - which is why the Toerag has a 5 star NCAP rating ....
It seems to me you can answer all your own questionsTo me fuel economy is important on a family vehicle..i dont think im alone as diesel sales increase percentage wise every year and i wouldnt be at all surprised if a Cayenne diesel doesnt come along in the future .If it does residuals on petrol cayennes will collapse(even more)..but you know all about that anyway coz you bought an x5 4.4
softinthehead said:
[ 4x4 are no safer than "normal" cars, infact they still struggle to achieve anywhere near the same ncap ratings.
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The NCAP results are only transferable to cars of a similar mass.
a 5 star small town car -v- a 3 star town car. clearly its better to go for the highest rating if your going for that class of a car.
BUT
a 5 star small town car -v- a 3 star large off roader the off roader is more likely to beable to protect its occupants than the small car if they hit each other.
As another poster the VW toreg thig has a 5 star rating which should be the same for the porker.
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