Westfield vs R1 at the Nurburgring Nordschleife
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Jorund was a god on the Ring and knew his way around the track in a way that very few others do. A real loss.
He is not holding back that much and while he would have beaten the Westfield had he not eased off it would not have been by much. Most of the time at the Ring the bikes hold the cars up, and that’s Blades, R1s, GSXR1000s etc. holding up the likes of Golfs!
He is not holding back that much and while he would have beaten the Westfield had he not eased off it would not have been by much. Most of the time at the Ring the bikes hold the cars up, and that’s Blades, R1s, GSXR1000s etc. holding up the likes of Golfs!
shot2bits said:
black-k1 said:
bikes hold the cars up, and that’s Blades, R1s, GSXR1000s etc. holding up the likes of Golfs!
That's because the riders aren't skilled - as we know, it takes a lot more talent (and bravery!) to ride a bike fast...
At the Ring, it’s not just about skill, it’s even more about track knowledge. It is quite common for what are very skillful road and track riders on very fast bikes but with little Ring experience to seriously hold up the “local lads” in their hot hatches. It is an incredibly demanding and unforgiving place to ride/drive and there are very few motorcyclists, skilled or otherwise, who “last long enough” to get the appropriate track experience. Jorund was one of the few.
black-k1 said:
shot2bits said:
black-k1 said:
bikes hold the cars up, and that’s Blades, R1s, GSXR1000s etc. holding up the likes of Golfs!
That's because the riders aren't skilled - as we know, it takes a lot more talent (and bravery!) to ride a bike fast...
At the Ring, it’s not just about skill, it’s even more about track knowledge. It is quite common for what are very skillful road and track riders on very fast bikes but with little Ring experience to seriously hold up the “local lads” in their hot hatches. It is an incredibly demanding and unforgiving place to ride/drive and there are very few motorcyclists, skilled or otherwise, who “last long enough” to get the appropriate track experience. Jorund was one of the few.
Jorund was indeed one of the few (RIP). I think Brendan from Sliders' has now taken on his mantle. Bren has done a (recorded on video) 7.34 BTG time. If you then look at the state of his back tyre it is not torn or badly srubbed in any way at all. This is due to him carrying a lot of corner speed into most of the bends, rather than taking a slow in, fast out approach, hence putting a lot of load on the tyre. From talking to Bren, he says that as the back is not sliding (although is spinning up in a few places), he reckons there's perhaps 5-10 seconds to come. Although he has a LOT of local knowledge of both the Ring and the local roads. I would challenge 99/100 riders to keep up with him on ANY stretch of road!
I think unless you've ridden the ring it's not a good idea to comment on how 'skillful' you need to be to go quickly there. I've done about 70 laps on a bike and approaching 800 in car and am still learning. I can put in a 8'15" BTG in my caterham with traffic allowing!
S2B have you been there?
Me and simon (T666AKY) were at the Ring in August last year and happened to bump into Bren from Sliders guesthouse.
I noticed his rear tyre was absolutely knackered (worn to the edges obviously and ripped to bits around an inch from the edge).
As for going fast on a bike at the ring,any one new to it should leave their ego at home.
I know a couple Mr and Mrs Ornsby, who used to travel to the ring at every opportunity, weekends, summer holidays you name it and they were there.
Their fun was stopped after she crashed on the approach to the Karussell, caused by fluid leaking from a coach and he broke his back after being hit by another bike( the other rider was killed. He had been going for approx 15yrs, she 7yrs.
The point i'm trying to make here is the ring is an unbelievably great and downright dangerous place in equal amounts ( about 3 feet of run off on 80% of the track ) like iv'e said take your time and you will have a great time like i did, so much so I'm going again this year.
Tatty bye
I noticed his rear tyre was absolutely knackered (worn to the edges obviously and ripped to bits around an inch from the edge).
As for going fast on a bike at the ring,any one new to it should leave their ego at home.
I know a couple Mr and Mrs Ornsby, who used to travel to the ring at every opportunity, weekends, summer holidays you name it and they were there.
Their fun was stopped after she crashed on the approach to the Karussell, caused by fluid leaking from a coach and he broke his back after being hit by another bike( the other rider was killed. He had been going for approx 15yrs, she 7yrs.
The point i'm trying to make here is the ring is an unbelievably great and downright dangerous place in equal amounts ( about 3 feet of run off on 80% of the track ) like iv'e said take your time and you will have a great time like i did, so much so I'm going again this year.
Tatty bye
remal said:
...and wish I have been to that track.
For anyone interested ti riding/driving the Ring then this is the site to check out:
http://nurburgring.org.uk/
Do have a quick look at the "lost ringers" page
black-k1 said:
remal said:
...and wish I have been to that track.
For anyone interested ti riding/driving the Ring then this is the site to check out:
http://nurburgring.org.uk/
Do have a quick look at the "lost ringers" page
thanks
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