Car registration service
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See other post - I can't see why it wouldn't work so why not do it?
It will be marketed as an administration service whereby vehicle owners register the car with the company that then becomes the registered keeper.
Of course all speeding, parking and other fines will be administered...
Any un paid fines go straight to my friend in Syria - if the postman can find him of course.
What is it worth? £25 per year?
Edited to add - the website will be at www.speedfree.co.uk
It will be marketed as an administration service whereby vehicle owners register the car with the company that then becomes the registered keeper.
Of course all speeding, parking and other fines will be administered...
Any un paid fines go straight to my friend in Syria - if the postman can find him of course.
What is it worth? £25 per year?
Edited to add - the website will be at www.speedfree.co.uk
Edited by p490kvp on Saturday 20th January 20:35
Its a totally legal administration service.
Obviously in 2007 with all the vehicle related paperwork you need someone to help look after it all and make sure that you don't miss anything - just think of the huge list..
Inner London congestion charge, Road fund licence, speeding fines, parking fines, SORN declarations and so on.
It is very hard to keep on top of it all and as we all know the V5 does not mean legal owner of the vehicle.
I can't see how this service is illegal - that's a crazy thought. No different to, say, British Telecom having its name on the V5 for a heap of BT vans - purely administration.
Of course all speed camera NIP would be forwarded to the driver BUT if he can not remember if it was him or not and the SCP can not provide better evidence well sadly it then becomes a failure to notify against the company on the V5. Then its in the hands of a couple of Syrians - they will have to speak for themselves and act accordingly.
Obviously in 2007 with all the vehicle related paperwork you need someone to help look after it all and make sure that you don't miss anything - just think of the huge list..
Inner London congestion charge, Road fund licence, speeding fines, parking fines, SORN declarations and so on.
It is very hard to keep on top of it all and as we all know the V5 does not mean legal owner of the vehicle.
I can't see how this service is illegal - that's a crazy thought. No different to, say, British Telecom having its name on the V5 for a heap of BT vans - purely administration.
Of course all speed camera NIP would be forwarded to the driver BUT if he can not remember if it was him or not and the SCP can not provide better evidence well sadly it then becomes a failure to notify against the company on the V5. Then its in the hands of a couple of Syrians - they will have to speak for themselves and act accordingly.
I'm sorry but you are confusing the legal entities here..
I am nothing to do with this. The company is one registered offshore with foreign nationals as its directors. Where do I come into this??
Now tell me how much jurisdiction does a UK court have in a Middle Eastern country? Dude the British government can't even send in its investigators for a 2nd time to Russia on a murder investigation with a radioactive substance - so I'll stake my life that pleas to take action against a "failure to notify" or unpaid fines there after will get lots of sympathy.
I am nothing to do with this. The company is one registered offshore with foreign nationals as its directors. Where do I come into this??
Now tell me how much jurisdiction does a UK court have in a Middle Eastern country? Dude the British government can't even send in its investigators for a 2nd time to Russia on a murder investigation with a radioactive substance - so I'll stake my life that pleas to take action against a "failure to notify" or unpaid fines there after will get lots of sympathy.
p490kvp said:
I am nothing to do with this. The company is one registered offshore with foreign nationals as its directors. Where do I come into this??
on your other thread it says this:
In fact I have a new idea... How about a company that provides a registration service for people. It would be a business incorporated offshore with non-UK directors. Speeding NIP's turn into failure to notify which get turned into fines which get unpaid - what are they going to do?
so it looks like from this it has a lot to do with you - the phrase "in fact I have a new idea" sort of gives it away no?
you can't register a car on UK plates with a foreign address anyway
Edited by motorwise on Sunday 21st January 02:22
motorwise said:
so it looks like from this it has a lot to do with you - the phrase "in fact I have a new idea" sort of gives it away no?
Yeah, but as the idea is of no use to an EU citizen he might as well tell some Syrian friends...
motorwise said:
you can't register a car on UK plates with a foreign address anyway
They rent a small office, with the required UK address, and it's equipment and hire a secretary, they pay the rent and wages direct from their Syrian bank account. They own no assets in the EU, the secretary breaks no law by forwarding mail to the boss in Syria...
Job jobbed.
I think I'll tell my Ukranian frinds about this!
motorwise said:
p490kvp said:
I am nothing to do with this. The company is one registered offshore with foreign nationals as its directors. Where do I come into this??
on your other thread it says this:
In fact I have a new idea... How about a company that provides a registration service for people. It would be a business incorporated offshore with non-UK directors. Speeding NIP's turn into failure to notify which get turned into fines which get unpaid - what are they going to do?
so it looks like from this it has a lot to do with you - the phrase "in fact I have a new idea" sort of gives it away no?
you can't register a car on UK plates with a foreign address anyway
Edited by motorwise on Sunday 21st January 02:22
Thankfully it isn't illegal to have an idea (well not just yet anyway).. and I guess it just got stolen and some jonny foreigners are involved..
Re: "you can't register a UK car to foreign address". I think you need to raise your vison a little. There are very many foreign owned and controlled businesses that have either a UK address or office. Not only that but an administration service is absolutely NOT perverting the course of justice.
Forget this specific idea for a moment and lets see how it could apply right now.
Non-EU national rents a car from Heathrow airport, goes speeding around London before flying back home.
Look at the process - NIP arrives for alledged speeding from a camera. Now lets assume Hertz forward this to our foreign friend.
His first defence will be "innocent until proven guilty" - so the speeding summons will turn into a failure to notify and ultimately that will turn into a fine.
If it did get so far as the UK state trying to pursue this non-EU national for the money the country of his residence has to recognise that a crime has been committed - which if they believe the basic principles of "innocent until proven guilty" then they will simply not be interested.
The UK state has got itself all tied up in knots and the one news story right now that demonstates this is the BAE systems arms deal to the Saudi's. You simply can not have your cake and eat it.
p490kvp said:
motorwise said:
p490kvp said:
I am nothing to do with this. The company is one registered offshore with foreign nationals as its directors. Where do I come into this??
on your other thread it says this:
In fact I have a new idea... How about a company that provides a registration service for people. It would be a business incorporated offshore with non-UK directors. Speeding NIP's turn into failure to notify which get turned into fines which get unpaid - what are they going to do?
so it looks like from this it has a lot to do with you - the phrase "in fact I have a new idea" sort of gives it away no?
you can't register a car on UK plates with a foreign address anyway
Edited by motorwise on Sunday 21st January 02:22
Thankfully it isn't illegal to have an idea (well not just yet anyway).. and I guess it just got stolen and some jonny foreigners are involved..
Re: "you can't register a UK car to foreign address". I think you need to raise your vison a little. There are very many foreign owned and controlled businesses that have either a UK address or office. Not only that but an administration service is absolutely NOT perverting the course of justice.
Forget this specific idea for a moment and lets see how it could apply right now.
Non-EU national rents a car from Heathrow airport, goes speeding around London before flying back home.
Look at the process - NIP arrives for alledged speeding from a camera. Now lets assume Hertz forward this to our foreign friend.
His first defence will be "innocent until proven guilty" - so the speeding summons will turn into a failure to notify and ultimately that will turn into a fine.
If it did get so far as the UK state trying to pursue this non-EU national for the money the country of his residence has to recognise that a crime has been committed - which if they believe the basic principles of "innocent until proven guilty" then they will simply not be interested.
The UK state has got itself all tied up in knots and the one news story right now that demonstates this is the BAE systems arms deal to the Saudi's. You simply can not have your cake and eat it.
Any foreign owned and controlled company which has an office in the UK, and operates UK registered vehicles, will require to have these vehicles regisered at the address of their UK office, and a representative of the company, based at the UK office will be responsible for any enquiries relating to the vehicles.
This whole thing sounds like a hair-brained scheme that can only end in tears. How long before the Police put together the fact that hundreds of cars, all registered to the same non existent Syrian company, are commiting offences, or more likely far more serious crimes, the length and breadth of the country, and how long after that before the registration numbers are put on the ANPR system and the owners are tracked down and jailed for attempting to pervert the course of justice, along with whatever else they've been up to.
The company might have foreign directors, but if its a ltd company it'll have a secretary, and unless I'm mistaken that secretary would be liable.
Regardless of legality, how would you like to be pulled over every single time you pass a traffic car, or ANPR check?
Also, what would stop the police from investigating the accounts and tracing the customers, and then forwarding the NoiP to those customers?
Regardless of legality, how would you like to be pulled over every single time you pass a traffic car, or ANPR check?
Also, what would stop the police from investigating the accounts and tracing the customers, and then forwarding the NoiP to those customers?
Edited by Parrot of Doom on Sunday 21st January 15:34
Exactly the V5 does not show ownership.. The V5 can be returned back to the owner of the vehicle and if he sells it on then fine no problem.
Regards ANPR and police turning up at the crack of dawn with masks and guns, etc ,etc - to do what exactly?
Mr Jones has merely registered his car with a company providing an admin service. Hey how is it his fault if that company didn't pay its failure to notify fine?
Nothing to do with Mr Jones - I suggest you go and seek Mr Ali the director living in Syria or where ever.....
Regards ANPR and police turning up at the crack of dawn with masks and guns, etc ,etc - to do what exactly?
Mr Jones has merely registered his car with a company providing an admin service. Hey how is it his fault if that company didn't pay its failure to notify fine?
Nothing to do with Mr Jones - I suggest you go and seek Mr Ali the director living in Syria or where ever.....
Parrot of Doom said:
The company might have foreign directors, but if its a ltd company it'll have a secretary, and unless I'm mistaken that secretary would be liable.
Regardless of legality, how would you like to be pulled over every single time you pass a traffic car, or ANPR check?
Also, what would stop the police from investigating the accounts and tracing the customers, and then forwarding the NoiP to those customers?
Regardless of legality, how would you like to be pulled over every single time you pass a traffic car, or ANPR check?
Also, what would stop the police from investigating the accounts and tracing the customers, and then forwarding the NoiP to those customers?
Edited by Parrot of Doom on Sunday 21st January 15:34
I'm sorry but you are falsly thinking this would be a UK Ltd company - why??? If BMW Gmbh registered some cars using its UK office - then plod will be taking a trip to Munich to get a secretary. That might be possible with a Germany company - but I'd like to see it do the same with a Russian, North Korean, Chinese, Lybian or other African or Middle Eastern country.
Re: getting pulled then given the lack of these traffic cars it isn't going to be a problem is it and if it did a call to your lawyer about Police harrasment should put a stop to it.
Pulling you over for what exactly? Speeding NIP turn to Failure to notify which turn to fines which go unpaid - the OWNER of the vehicle has nothing to answer to...
BMW UK is a limited company registered in the UK.
How can you register a vehicle to a company that is not registered in the UK, and that doesn't submit it's accounts to companies house?
I don't think you can. You have to register it to a company or persons in the UK. IF its a company, its a ltd company - which has a secretary. If its a person, again, they must be resident in the UK?
How can you register a vehicle to a company that is not registered in the UK, and that doesn't submit it's accounts to companies house?
I don't think you can. You have to register it to a company or persons in the UK. IF its a company, its a ltd company - which has a secretary. If its a person, again, they must be resident in the UK?
Edited by Parrot of Doom on Sunday 21st January 16:54
Edited by Parrot of Doom on Sunday 21st January 16:55
p490kvp said:
Exactly the V5 does not show ownership.. The V5 can be returned back to the owner of the vehicle and if he sells it on then fine no problem.
Regards ANPR and police turning up at the crack of dawn with masks and guns, etc ,etc - to do what exactly?
Mr Jones has merely registered his car with a company providing an admin service. Hey how is it his fault if that company didn't pay its failure to notify fine?
Nothing to do with Mr Jones - I suggest you go and seek Mr Ali the director living in Syria or where ever.....
Regards ANPR and police turning up at the crack of dawn with masks and guns, etc ,etc - to do what exactly?
Mr Jones has merely registered his car with a company providing an admin service. Hey how is it his fault if that company didn't pay its failure to notify fine?
Nothing to do with Mr Jones - I suggest you go and seek Mr Ali the director living in Syria or where ever.....
I think your missing the point here. They're not going to be questioning Mr Jones about a failure to notify fine.
As the owner of the vehicle, they're going to be questioning Mr Jones about the offences, and any other criminal activity the vehicle has been involved in, and why it is registered to a company which Mr Jones has nothing to do with, that has an address possibly hundreds of miles from where Mr Jones lives.
The vehicle has not been involved in criminal activity has it though?
The only thing a vehicle may be involved in is perhaps being photographed speeding. However this charge gets dropped and the summons changed to "failure to notify". This has nothing to do with the vehicle or the owner of the vehicle.
The charge is against the RK and he/she/it can answer for itself.
The only thing a vehicle may be involved in is perhaps being photographed speeding. However this charge gets dropped and the summons changed to "failure to notify". This has nothing to do with the vehicle or the owner of the vehicle.
The charge is against the RK and he/she/it can answer for itself.
If you trace the owner and driver of the vehicle, then you would proceed against him for the original offence, the "failure to notify" would be out of the picture.
And I would imagine the Police would still be keen to know why the car you own is registered to a bogus foreign company which you have no connection with.
And I would imagine the Police would still be keen to know why the car you own is registered to a bogus foreign company which you have no connection with.
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