Official: Congestion charge a failure
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If journey times have increased, it must be a failure. So when will it be removed Ken?
C-charge 'ups journey times'
By Danielle Demetriou, Evening Standard
7 April 2003
Car journeys into the capital are taking a third longer than before the congestion charging scheme started, new figures published today suggest.
The findings indicate that, seven weeks after the start of the scheme, Londoners are experiencing a steady build-up of congestion as they drive from outside the city into the central zone.
The average journey time along the 10 major routes into the city last week was 55.7 minutes, which was more than 32 per cent higher than the average of 38.4 minutes it took motorists during the same week last year.
The figures also revealed that journey times had already increased by 15 minutes in the past seven weeks. The findings came to light in a survey conducted by Trafficmaster, which monitors 10 key routes on a weekly basis, including the A1 from Mill Hill to Islington, the A20 from Swanley to Eltham, the A3 from Cobham to Clapham
While last year's journey times may have been affected by the Easter holidays, motorists are still experiencing a higher rate of congestion now than before the start of the scheme. The worst delays are along routes that motorists are using to avoid entering the charge zone, according to a Trafficmaster spokeswoman.
The key points for delays include the Blackwall Tunnel approaches on the A12 and A102, the A40 Western Avenue, Archway Road and Stoke Newington high street.
The findings were described as a "cause for concern" by Paul Watters, the AA's head of road and transport policy. He said: "I think these figures are very significant, particularly those which reveal that routes into the city are already taking 15 minutes longer compared with the first week of the scheme.
"We are carrying out our own research into it and we have already noticed that roadworks and accidents have reached the same levels as last
and the A23 from Hooley to Brixton. year. To have such a large increase in journey times at this stage does concern us and it is clearly something that needs looking into."
Transport for London, the agency responsible for managing the congestion charge, said it was too soon to comment on the Trafficmaster survey - though its figures revealed that around 100,000 motorists paid the £5 toll every day last week.
This means an estimated 3.5 million charges have been paid during the first seven weeks of the scheme - bringing the total amount of money raised to an estimated £17.5 million.
A further 15,000 penalty charge notices have been issued by TfL, bringing the total number of fines issued since the start of the scheme to 132,000. But 22,000 fines have been overturned after drivers challenged them.
C-charge 'ups journey times'
By Danielle Demetriou, Evening Standard
7 April 2003
Car journeys into the capital are taking a third longer than before the congestion charging scheme started, new figures published today suggest.
The findings indicate that, seven weeks after the start of the scheme, Londoners are experiencing a steady build-up of congestion as they drive from outside the city into the central zone.
The average journey time along the 10 major routes into the city last week was 55.7 minutes, which was more than 32 per cent higher than the average of 38.4 minutes it took motorists during the same week last year.
The figures also revealed that journey times had already increased by 15 minutes in the past seven weeks. The findings came to light in a survey conducted by Trafficmaster, which monitors 10 key routes on a weekly basis, including the A1 from Mill Hill to Islington, the A20 from Swanley to Eltham, the A3 from Cobham to Clapham
While last year's journey times may have been affected by the Easter holidays, motorists are still experiencing a higher rate of congestion now than before the start of the scheme. The worst delays are along routes that motorists are using to avoid entering the charge zone, according to a Trafficmaster spokeswoman.
The key points for delays include the Blackwall Tunnel approaches on the A12 and A102, the A40 Western Avenue, Archway Road and Stoke Newington high street.
The findings were described as a "cause for concern" by Paul Watters, the AA's head of road and transport policy. He said: "I think these figures are very significant, particularly those which reveal that routes into the city are already taking 15 minutes longer compared with the first week of the scheme.
"We are carrying out our own research into it and we have already noticed that roadworks and accidents have reached the same levels as last
and the A23 from Hooley to Brixton. year. To have such a large increase in journey times at this stage does concern us and it is clearly something that needs looking into."
Transport for London, the agency responsible for managing the congestion charge, said it was too soon to comment on the Trafficmaster survey - though its figures revealed that around 100,000 motorists paid the £5 toll every day last week.
This means an estimated 3.5 million charges have been paid during the first seven weeks of the scheme - bringing the total amount of money raised to an estimated £17.5 million.
A further 15,000 penalty charge notices have been issued by TfL, bringing the total number of fines issued since the start of the scheme to 132,000. But 22,000 fines have been overturned after drivers challenged them.
plotloss said: Ken was on merlins box last week saying that it would cost £80 million to ditch the congestion charging scheme.
Give me a pump action and 1000 rounds of Alphamax and I'll dismantle it for a tenner.
Matt.
So that's £80m that somebody will charge for pressing the 'off' switch on the computer system, then?
pdv6 said:
plotloss said: Ken was on merlins box last week saying that it would cost £80 million to ditch the congestion charging scheme.
Give me a pump action and 1000 rounds of Alphamax and I'll dismantle it for a tenner.
Matt.
So that's £80m that somebody will charge for pressing the 'off' switch on the computer system, then?
The other question is how much does it cost to keep going...
Dan
errrm,
Sorry to scoff about all this chaps but....
I've found traffic to have reduced in the center dramatically. It's now waaaaay quicker to get a cab anywhere than before the charging was brought in.
I work in Victoria where you can visibly see that the traffic is much less. I've also spoken to any number of cabbies who have all said it's much easier to drive around central London. In fact they were moaning becuase it's too easy, so journeys are quicker and cabbies are becoming free much more quickly - hence they have to fight for fares.
So personally it seems like it's worked.
Sorry to scoff about all this chaps but....
I've found traffic to have reduced in the center dramatically. It's now waaaaay quicker to get a cab anywhere than before the charging was brought in.
I work in Victoria where you can visibly see that the traffic is much less. I've also spoken to any number of cabbies who have all said it's much easier to drive around central London. In fact they were moaning becuase it's too easy, so journeys are quicker and cabbies are becoming free much more quickly - hence they have to fight for fares.
So personally it seems like it's worked.
I drive into London every day and I reckon traffic is still lighter than before congestion charging. It's certainly crept up from the first couple of weeks but it's still, IMHO, about consistent with a very good run pre CC. But whereas before I'd only get a good runs once every couple of months, now I reckon I get them about 2/3 of the time.
PS Knowing the Evening Standard, it wouldn't surprise me if they compared a holiday week last year to a non-holiday week this year
PS Knowing the Evening Standard, it wouldn't surprise me if they compared a holiday week last year to a non-holiday week this year
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