LEGAL SITUATION RE SITTING IN WITH LEARNER DRIVER
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Can anyone clarify this?
My girlfriend's daughter has got a provisional licence.
She has got a VW Polo, which she is learning to drive in. Obviously insured in her name.
What are the legal implications of me sitting in with her as the authorised full licence holder?
Do I need to get seperate insurance, or does my insurance and hers cover us?
If she should have a bump or pick up a speeding ticket or similar, is she liable, or am I?
My girlfriend's daughter has got a provisional licence.
She has got a VW Polo, which she is learning to drive in. Obviously insured in her name.
What are the legal implications of me sitting in with her as the authorised full licence holder?
Do I need to get seperate insurance, or does my insurance and hers cover us?
If she should have a bump or pick up a speeding ticket or similar, is she liable, or am I?
As long as the person supervising the learner driver is over 21 yrs old and possess a valid full driving licence, which has been in effect for over three years, there should be be no problems.
He/she has to be kept in check in respect of observing motoring laws though (like keeping under 30 in a 30 zone)
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He/she has to be kept in check in respect of observing motoring laws though (like keeping under 30 in a 30 zone)
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Edited by Exoticaholic on Wednesday 24th January 08:46
Licence doesn't need to be clean. 3 year experience and over 21 are the golden rules.
Just to remind you from a previous thread, you are effectively in charge of the vehicle. You can't use driving lessons as an excuse for a couple of pints whilst you are out for the afternoon therefore!
Just to remind you from a previous thread, you are effectively in charge of the vehicle. You can't use driving lessons as an excuse for a couple of pints whilst you are out for the afternoon therefore!
Damn good law.
I remember when I was learning to drive. There was a bunch of us, all 17. I was the first to pass, and that evening went out with my mate who was still learning, in his Mum's car. Just by sitting in the passenger seat, we were completely legal. Hadn't a clue how to really drive though. And we thought wheelspinning a Fiesta was loads of fun. What a complete t
t!
So, this "over 21 + 3 years full licence" is a good idea - it would have stopped knobends like me
I remember when I was learning to drive. There was a bunch of us, all 17. I was the first to pass, and that evening went out with my mate who was still learning, in his Mum's car. Just by sitting in the passenger seat, we were completely legal. Hadn't a clue how to really drive though. And we thought wheelspinning a Fiesta was loads of fun. What a complete t
t! So, this "over 21 + 3 years full licence" is a good idea - it would have stopped knobends like me
pikey said:
Damn good law.
I remember when I was learning to drive. There was a bunch of us, all 17. I was the first to pass, and that evening went out with my mate who was still learning, in his Mum's car. Just by sitting in the passenger seat, we were completely legal.
I remember when I was learning to drive. There was a bunch of us, all 17. I was the first to pass, and that evening went out with my mate who was still learning, in his Mum's car. Just by sitting in the passenger seat, we were completely legal.
When was the requirement for 21 years + license for 3 years brought in? I know it is now, but never knew there was a point when it wasn't the case.
tigger1 said:
pikey said:
Damn good law.
I remember when I was learning to drive. There was a bunch of us, all 17. I was the first to pass, and that evening went out with my mate who was still learning, in his Mum's car. Just by sitting in the passenger seat, we were completely legal.
I remember when I was learning to drive. There was a bunch of us, all 17. I was the first to pass, and that evening went out with my mate who was still learning, in his Mum's car. Just by sitting in the passenger seat, we were completely legal.
When was the requirement for 21 years + license for 3 years brought in? I know it is now, but never knew there was a point when it wasn't the case.
It's been around for at least ten years now.
And putting my ex ADI hat back on..........
Any infractions can lead to the supervisor being prosecuted - it makes you a bit more keen to keep them under control.
You must be bloody mad though - I wouldn't teach a relative or spend any time with a learner without dual controls.
planetdave said:
You must be bloody mad though - I wouldn't teach a relative or spend any time with a learner without dual controls.
I'm with that man there ... quite right. (Even worse if it's in your own P&J ... believe be, crunched gear changes are felt by every nerve in the body!)
Oli.
planetdave said:
I wouldn't teach a relative or spend any time with a learner without dual controls.
My g/f's learning to drive and as well as professional training I take her out in our Yaris every now and again. One thing that's really struck me is how difficult driving in London is. Around here (London), it's an absolute nightmare compared to villages, country drives and small towns.
zcacogp said:
planetdave said:
You must be bloody mad though - I wouldn't teach a relative or spend any time with a learner without dual controls.
I'm with that man there ... quite right. (Even worse if it's in your own P&J ... believe be, crunched gear changes are felt by every nerve in the body!)
Oli.
You bunch of girls ... dual controls? Blimey ...
You teach them the basics in a big car park somewhere late at night ... or let them have a few lessons ... only then take them on the road. What are you afraid of?
It's not difficult!
mat205125 said:
Licence doesn't need to be clean. 3 year experience and over 21 are the golden rules.
Just to remind you from a previous thread, you are effectively in charge of the vehicle. You can't use driving lessons as an excuse for a couple of pints whilst you are out for the afternoon therefore!
Just to remind you from a previous thread, you are effectively in charge of the vehicle. You can't use driving lessons as an excuse for a couple of pints whilst you are out for the afternoon therefore!
cool, someone had told me and the missus that, and she has 3 points so was worried that she could not sit next to our daughter.
my stepdaughter has her own car to learn in, she can't drive the rr its too big for her, and an auto anyway, the Leon is way too fast (so it would seem is an 1100 fiesta :-)). anyway i have access to the hand brake and the gear lever if necessary :-), i just need her to stop panicing about hill starts, and remember that the 40mph road she drove last night, is still 40mph limit tonight. she always asks, doh! mind you she is a natural blond :-) she even has a t shirt that says 'speak slowly, natural blond inside' :-)
pikey said:
Damn good law.
I remember when I was learning to drive. There was a bunch of us, all 17. I was the first to pass, and that evening went out with my mate who was still learning, in his Mum's car. Just by sitting in the passenger seat, we were completely legal. Hadn't a clue how to really drive though. And we thought wheelspinning a Fiesta was loads of fun. What a complete tt!
So, this "over 21 + 3 years full licence" is a good idea - it would have stopped knobends like me
I remember when I was learning to drive. There was a bunch of us, all 17. I was the first to pass, and that evening went out with my mate who was still learning, in his Mum's car. Just by sitting in the passenger seat, we were completely legal. Hadn't a clue how to really drive though. And we thought wheelspinning a Fiesta was loads of fun. What a complete t
t! So, this "over 21 + 3 years full licence" is a good idea - it would have stopped knobends like me
When did you pass? It was certainly the law when I passed my driving test in 1981. Maybe you weren't driving quite as legally as perhaps you thought you were!
FWIW, I recall we had a crusty old-fashioned copper (who may or may not have been Vonhosen!) come to my School to give us lecture on road safety and the law. At some point, PC Plod asked for a volunteer. When there were no takers he came and grabbed me. Then he got me to stand up in front of the class, drink a single whiskey (nice!) and "blow in the bag please sir, that's right, keep going keep going...". Half way through I stopped and asked if his chips were too hot but he didn't seem especially amused.
SamHH said:
planetdave said:
I wouldn't teach a relative or spend any time with a learner without dual controls.
Did you never give lessons to customer in their own car? My driving instructor was quite happy to do this with me.
I did. It has two disadvantages. The client is now on home turf instead of being the 'guest', which changes the relationship. Also if the client has a moment and starts heading into another lane, that is already occupied, then your options are extremely limited.
You don't get a huge discount on your insurance for having duals for nothing.
andy zarse said:
pikey said:
Damn good law.
I remember when I was learning to drive. There was a bunch of us, all 17. I was the first to pass, and that evening went out with my mate who was still learning, in his Mum's car. Just by sitting in the passenger seat, we were completely legal. Hadn't a clue how to really drive though. And we thought wheelspinning a Fiesta was loads of fun. What a complete tt!
So, this "over 21 + 3 years full licence" is a good idea - it would have stopped knobends like me
I remember when I was learning to drive. There was a bunch of us, all 17. I was the first to pass, and that evening went out with my mate who was still learning, in his Mum's car. Just by sitting in the passenger seat, we were completely legal. Hadn't a clue how to really drive though. And we thought wheelspinning a Fiesta was loads of fun. What a complete t
t! So, this "over 21 + 3 years full licence" is a good idea - it would have stopped knobends like me
When did you pass? It was certainly the law when I passed my driving test in 1981. Maybe you weren't driving quite as legally as perhaps you thought you were!
The Highway Code says that "over 21 + 3 years full licence" is stipulated by the Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999. These Regulations revoked the Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1996. The 1996 Regulations do not appear to contain the "over 21 + 3 years full licence" stipulation. I therefore hypothesise that the "over 21 + 3 years full licence" requirement came into force in 1999 or at least not earlier than 1996.
Supervisor: 21 years and over and hold a current Licence for that Group and has done so for 3 years.
As a supervisor you could come under the gambit of aid/abet/counsel or procure road traffic offence i.e. due care, speeding etc etc.
Be under the influence and the book is thrown at the pair of you.
dvd
As a supervisor you could come under the gambit of aid/abet/counsel or procure road traffic offence i.e. due care, speeding etc etc.
Be under the influence and the book is thrown at the pair of you.
dvd
andy zarse said:
When did you pass? It was certainly the law when I passed my driving test in 1981. Maybe you weren't driving quite as legally as perhaps you thought you were!
Errr... Whoops! 1989. SamHH said:
The Highway Code says that "over 21 + 3 years full licence" is stipulated by the Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999. These Regulations revoked the Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1996. The 1996 Regulations do not appear to contain the "over 21 + 3 years full licence" stipulation. I therefore hypothesise that the "over 21 + 3 years full licence" requirement came into force in 1999 or at least not earlier than 1996.
WooHoo! I was right! 
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