Car for 'life' - Audi RS6/New Audi A8/VW Tuareg?
Discussion
...which one would you people go for? The VW would be the 5 litre V10 turbo-diesel version of the Tuareg.
I want something classy, powerful, UNDERSTATED, attractive (so Cayenne is out), but that won't date too much and may become a future classic. If I get an SUV, it has to be a proper one that can actually redeem itself off-road very well (enough to more or less keep up with my brother when he goes green-laning in his Defender).
And whatever I get has to be very reliable.
Budget £55k ish. Opinions would be appreciated. If I plump for the V10 Tuareg, I'll need to get back to the dealer by the end of this week, as he can sell me one of his demo allocations (not built yet).
Any other options? As I plan to keep the car for years, I want to buy new so that I know exactly how it's been treated/run-in.
I want something classy, powerful, UNDERSTATED, attractive (so Cayenne is out), but that won't date too much and may become a future classic. If I get an SUV, it has to be a proper one that can actually redeem itself off-road very well (enough to more or less keep up with my brother when he goes green-laning in his Defender).
And whatever I get has to be very reliable.
Budget £55k ish. Opinions would be appreciated. If I plump for the V10 Tuareg, I'll need to get back to the dealer by the end of this week, as he can sell me one of his demo allocations (not built yet).
Any other options? As I plan to keep the car for years, I want to buy new so that I know exactly how it's been treated/run-in.
If you're planning to keep it for years then it would have to be the Audi, if the VW isn't built yet (have no idea BTW) then you have no statistics of its reliability etc. It could be a complete dog, what was the fake off roader that had similar probs, was it the mercedes? I think it was built in a different factory to standard cars and therefore quality control was pants. Maybe i'm thinking of the BMW Z3 sportscar can't think at the mo, but thought one of fakes had trouble too....
You're always gambling when being in the front of the queue for a new car....
How much off roading are you going to be doing if any...? Personally if i wanted a luxury off roader (and i do one day), it would have to cut the mustard off the beaten track, because i would intend to take it there and to be quite honest i wouldn't trust anything without a green oval on the front for that. I used to read about a chap who bought a then new 'top of the range' range rover and took it off roading as a sort of "how it faired thing" culminating in a trip to Iceland - it was serious stuff!!! I take a sort of perverse pleasure from taking a +£50,000 car and doing what was designed of it and getting it dirty
>> Edited by Buffalo on Wednesday 9th April 09:42
You're always gambling when being in the front of the queue for a new car....
How much off roading are you going to be doing if any...? Personally if i wanted a luxury off roader (and i do one day), it would have to cut the mustard off the beaten track, because i would intend to take it there and to be quite honest i wouldn't trust anything without a green oval on the front for that. I used to read about a chap who bought a then new 'top of the range' range rover and took it off roading as a sort of "how it faired thing" culminating in a trip to Iceland - it was serious stuff!!! I take a sort of perverse pleasure from taking a +£50,000 car and doing what was designed of it and getting it dirty
>> Edited by Buffalo on Wednesday 9th April 09:42
argonaut said:
Sparks said: I saw a 'toerag' the other day and I think it is pig ugly (but so are most 4x4). Much as I dislike the image, if you want that type of vehicle go for the BMW X5.
...what about the new Range Rover?
Tad more expensive, and it's pretty much a BMW anyway......
Sparks
not when you import a new V8 SE for £46k
Sparks said:
...what about the new Range Rover?
Tad more expensive...
www.autocarsource.com
Sparks said:
Tad more expensive, and it's pretty much a BMW anyway......
Sparks
Cheeky Barsteward, i think you'll find the Beemer is pretty much a range rover, ACTUALLY!!
retendhumphsmiley: those theiving swines didn't know a thing about offroaders till they got their grubby hands on LR!! Having said that it is the only alternative to the Rangey i reckon, the rest are all pig ugly! And too big....
polar_ben said:not when you import a new V8 SE for £46k
Sparks said:
...what about the new Range Rover?
Tad more expensive...
But you could equally import one of the others proportionally cheaper. Or am I being stupid
Sparks
Buffalo said:
Sparks said:
Tad more expensive, and it's pretty much a BMW anyway......
Sparks
Cheeky Barsteward, i think you'll find the Beemer is pretty much a range rover, ACTUALLY!!
Having said that it is the only alternative to the Rangey i reckon, the rest are all pig ugly! And too big....
Actually I agree, BMW stole (sorry purchased
) the technology, but now sell it cheaper. I'd still take the Rangey over the BM (id money were no object), but would take the RS6 over both..... Sparks
Don't even bother with the Tuareg, I've tried it in real country work and it's about as much use as the BMW shitebox!!! They say it's a 4x4 with a really fancy cogbox, but 3 inches of slick mud and you're stuck. Wet steep grass it won't even look at and has a Schumacher-like fit.... (no I won't go up there and if you ask me to I'll throw my dummy at you!)
A soft roader worse than the rav4. Fit for Mumpties and other such lowlife, is NEVER in a million years a 4x4 for REAL X-Country work... too expensive but well appointed!!!!
A soft roader worse than the rav4. Fit for Mumpties and other such lowlife, is NEVER in a million years a 4x4 for REAL X-Country work... too expensive but well appointed!!!!
argonaut said: What luxury 4x4 vehicles would then come close to the abilities of the Defender? Ranger Rover and Landcruiser, I suppose?
IMHO Range Rover, Land Cruiser and Jeep Grand Cherokee make the grade, all others fail. Slightly cheaper and you can add the L/R Discovery to the list.
Just remember that the best off-roader in the world won't be much use on a muddy slope if using standard road tyres.
argonaut said: What luxury 4x4 vehicles would then come close to the abilities of the Defender? Ranger Rover and Landcruiser, I suppose?
I fitted All-Terrain tyres to my Grand Cherokee. Problem is the new Grand Cherokee (2003 model) has changed the rim size and you can't buy any off roading tyres for it!
For what its worth..I think the Audi RS6 is fantastic. Shame its £57k.
>> Edited by barter on Wednesday 9th April 14:37
Ahh but have you noticed that generally Land Rover always puts its cars into tests with understated tyres on, where as much of the competition always shods theirs with BFGoodrich's finest!! I once read that their philospohy was that 9 times out of 10 their cars can still show a clean pair of muddy heels to the competition even on road tyres
I got my grubby paws on a defender again last week and they really are the boys off road. Hardly luxury though. I reckon i'd put my money on the range rover without even thinking, but if i was to drive the competition first it might be a different contest. Thing is i've seen the way LR test their vehicles off-road and i know they are up for the job, the rest of the package is a plus to me really, but i guess its all personal preference.
The RS6 is probably still the most sensible car yet mentioned for a long termer (much as i hate to say it), low dpreciation, fast as fcuk, good looking.... BUT not an off roader.... Maybe you're trying to compromise too much Arg ol' bean and should try and work out what it is you want. I reckon RS6 and 4x4's are quite different vehicles....
JMO
I got my grubby paws on a defender again last week and they really are the boys off road. Hardly luxury though. I reckon i'd put my money on the range rover without even thinking, but if i was to drive the competition first it might be a different contest. Thing is i've seen the way LR test their vehicles off-road and i know they are up for the job, the rest of the package is a plus to me really, but i guess its all personal preference.
The RS6 is probably still the most sensible car yet mentioned for a long termer (much as i hate to say it), low dpreciation, fast as fcuk, good looking.... BUT not an off roader.... Maybe you're trying to compromise too much Arg ol' bean and should try and work out what it is you want. I reckon RS6 and 4x4's are quite different vehicles....
JMO
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