That blasted flag
Discussion
Went home at lunch and watched a bit. ITN news guy was "and theres the american troops, oo thats a bit naughty, they were told not to fly the American flag..." (were driving through town in a Tank of some sort with bloke on top with flag)
Come on guys don't fcuk it up now, put the flags down, let the iraqi's have their own celebrations. They will thank you their own way, in their own time.....
Liberation, not conquer (and all that jazz)
Come on guys don't fcuk it up now, put the flags down, let the iraqi's have their own celebrations. They will thank you their own way, in their own time.....
Liberation, not conquer (and all that jazz)
sorry, must be more positive about this whole war thing... It is tradition dating back to the origins of flags that you plant yours where you've won.
The furor over this is around the world in other countries looking for reasons to be skeptical.
Planting the stars and bars, or a union jack, let's the people there know that Saddam doesn't control it anymore and the liberators are there to stay. From all the celebrations, it seems like the locals could care less about the flags being raised. It lets them know they are now free to beat Saddam portraits with their shoes (which is a colossal insult in the Arab world.)
They are taking them down right away, because of all the PC being forced upon the soldiers there anyways. It's really not a big deal...a non issue if there ever was one.
Mikester
The furor over this is around the world in other countries looking for reasons to be skeptical.
Planting the stars and bars, or a union jack, let's the people there know that Saddam doesn't control it anymore and the liberators are there to stay. From all the celebrations, it seems like the locals could care less about the flags being raised. It lets them know they are now free to beat Saddam portraits with their shoes (which is a colossal insult in the Arab world.)
They are taking them down right away, because of all the PC being forced upon the soldiers there anyways. It's really not a big deal...a non issue if there ever was one.
Mikester
It could be looked upon as symbolic. Yes the Americans have arrived so lets raise the flag over the hated dictator but then take it down and replace it with the Iraqi flag to symbolise the fact that the Americans are not going to stay but are handing Baghdad/Iraq back to Iraqi people.
I should be a politician with this.....I hear there's a job going as Minister of Information in Iraq
I should be a politician with this.....I hear there's a job going as Minister of Information in Iraq
Very true....how long do think it will be before the official realise this and make the excuse up and use it?
Just seen a better flag held up in the Iraqi crowd. A
Stars & Stripes with Sly Stallone as Rocky on it!!!!!! (Rocky IV I think)....maybe they are going to use it as the new flag
Just seen a better flag held up in the Iraqi crowd. A
Stars & Stripes with Sly Stallone as Rocky on it!!!!!! (Rocky IV I think)....maybe they are going to use it as the new flag
madmike said: It is tradition dating back to the origins of flags that you plant yours where you've won.
The furor over this is around the world in other countries looking for reasons to be skeptical.
Planting the stars and bars, or a union jack, let's the people there know that Saddam doesn't control it anymore and the liberators are there to stay. From all the celebrations, it seems like the locals could care less about the flags being raised. It lets them know they are now free to beat Saddam portraits with their shoes (which is a colossal insult in the Arab world.)
They are taking them down right away, because of all the PC being forced upon the soldiers there anyways. It's really not a big deal...a non issue if there ever was one.
Mikester
The whole point though is that we aren't there to stay, we supposed to be giving their country back to them - thats the whole crap message thats been fed to us throughout this escapade. It IS a big deal IMO. These guys have been under the rule of a facist for yonks, don't you think they might be a bit confused by the message of foreigners coming into their country to "help them" and then stick up foreign flags all over the place..? Its all about trust.
That is why the troops were told not to put them up, they haven't conquered anything, and if you wish to say they have, the country of America hasn't conquered it and neither has Britain and therefore our flag and your flag has no right to fly in that country. The flags that should be flown should be that of the iraqi people's - we have only acted on our their behalf, nothing we have done is supposed to benefit us - remember??
I'm getting sodding tired of keep repeating this.
Why? Did they have a spare Macdonald's arch? Oh no - they're replacing the Victory Arch with it the Golden Arches!!!
Its one thing to see the statue of Sadam being pulled down, but I was appalled when an American soldier placed the stars and stripes over its head.
He quickly pulled it back down, but I fear the damage has been done.
FourWheelDrift said: Very true....how long do think it will be before the official realise this and make the excuse up and use it?
Just seen a better flag held up in the Iraqi crowd. A
Stars & Stripes with Sly Stallone as Rocky on it!!!!!! (Rocky IV I think)....maybe they are going to use it as the new flag
I'm on shaky ground as a researcher here
, but i think that was the Iraqi flag from before the SH regime? (SH as Rocky IV...Hmm...)[quoteThe whole point though is that we aren't there to stay, we supposed to be giving their country back to them - thats the whole crap message thats been fed to us throughout this escapade.
By "there to stay" I mean it sends the message we aren't leaving right away, allowing the old regime to reassert control like happened at the end of GW1. The people there have been afraid we will only go in so far, then Saddam will make enough concessions to stay in power somehow. Now they are realizing this time there will be no compromise.
Mike
By "there to stay" I mean it sends the message we aren't leaving right away, allowing the old regime to reassert control like happened at the end of GW1. The people there have been afraid we will only go in so far, then Saddam will make enough concessions to stay in power somehow. Now they are realizing this time there will be no compromise.
Mike
Buffalo said:
The whole point though is that we aren't there to stay, we supposed to be giving their country back to them - thats the whole crap message thats been fed to us throughout this escapade. It IS a big deal IMO. These guys have been under the rule of a facist for yonks, don't you think they might be a bit confused by the message of foreigners coming into their country to "help them" and then stick up foreign flags all over the place..? Its all about trust.
That is why the troops were told not to put them up, they haven't conquered anything, and if you wish to say they have, the country of America hasn't conquered it and neither has Britain and therefore our flag and your flag has no right to fly in that country. The flags that should be flown should be that of the iraqi people's - we have only acted on our their behalf, nothing we have done is supposed to benefit us - remember??
I'm getting sodding tired of keep repeating this.
Chill guys.....the monkey has got his handbag out and isn't afraid to use it.
madmike said: [quoteThe whole point though is that we aren't there to stay, we supposed to be giving their country back to them - thats the whole crap message thats been fed to us throughout this escapade.
By "there to stay" I mean it sends the message we aren't leaving right away, allowing the old regime to reassert control like happened at the end of GW1. The people there have been afraid we will only go in so far, then Saddam will make enough concessions to stay in power somehow. Now they are realizing this time there will be no compromise.
Mike
I know - just a crappy day at work. I am pleased at least some good has come of this and that these people might get something good happen to them now, which is why i don't like seeing attempts at stuffing it up...
Off home to have beer and relax a bit!
Cheeers
>> Edited by Buffalo on Wednesday 9th April 18:16
Enjoy your beer Buff, I think it was a hell of a day. I watched it from when they first appeared and there was an air of 'is this it?' then the reporters came out and more and more civvys then everyone went ballistic, you couldn't have hoped for a better result.
If ever there was any doubt as to the true feeling of the people toward SH they must surely be quashed by now. Fcuking good show all round chaps
If ever there was any doubt as to the true feeling of the people toward SH they must surely be quashed by now. Fcuking good show all round chaps
apache said:
If ever there was any doubt as to the true feeling of the people toward SH they must surely be quashed by now. Fcuking good show all round chaps
And somewhere right this moment, Chirac has the exact same feeling in his gut as I do every time I see flashy colored lights go off in my rear view mirror.
Mike
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