RE: Kids Killed
Tuesday 23rd October 2001
Kids Killed
Are hedgehogs enough to stop the deaths?
Discussion
When I was a kid we had Tufty, the Green Cross code/Darth Vaider bloke and Kevin Keegan in a perm. Also seem to remember schools giving out free reflective armbands to all junior school kids in the autumn. Not good for 'cred, but very effective. 
Mind you, kids don't walk to school these days, so whats the problem
Mind you, kids don't walk to school these days, so whats the problem
Maybe they should re run the advert of the nissan running over the Kid, and change the slogan to "Jimmy should have looked both ways and not crossed between parked cars"
I remember being scared to death of public info films as a kid, I certainly never played frisbee near a nuclear power station
I remember being scared to death of public info films as a kid, I certainly never played frisbee near a nuclear power station
When I was a kid we either walked to school or got the bus. If we banned parents from dropping off the kids in their Jeeps and other 4x4s there would be far less cars on the road passing schools in the first place and less traffic for everyone else. Where I live I notice a huge difference in the time it takes me to get to work when the schools are on holiday. Surveys report that approx 30% of peak traffic in rush hour is from school runs.
Unfortunatley the media like to make mountains out of mole hills and have made everyone think that if ya child walks to school he/she will be kidnapped!!!
What bulls##t
Our local council has the walking bus which is run by parents who take it in turns to walk the local kids to school, so much healther for the kids, cleaner for the environment, easier for us who need to travel by car to work....
Need I say more....
Edited by steve_west on Thursday 25th October 00:48
Unfortunatley the media like to make mountains out of mole hills and have made everyone think that if ya child walks to school he/she will be kidnapped!!!
What bulls##t
Our local council has the walking bus which is run by parents who take it in turns to walk the local kids to school, so much healther for the kids, cleaner for the environment, easier for us who need to travel by car to work....
Need I say more....
Edited by steve_west on Thursday 25th October 00:48
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If we banned parents from dropping off the kids in their Jeeps and other 4x4s there would be far less cars on the road
Why single out Jeeps and 4x4s ? do you feel that it's ok to drop the kids off in a Merc estate, BMW or Transit but not a 4x4 ?
I don't see your argument here I'm afraid.
I think the point is that the vast majority of allegedly responsible parents like to arm themselves with 2 tonne weapons loaded with bull-bars, etc. which would make a wonderful mess of poor little Johnny when he runs out in front of one of them.
MPVs are just as bad - 7 seat, 1 mum, maybe two kids... What's the point ??!!!
Make the little bastards walk or introduce school buses like they have in the US.
MPVs are just as bad - 7 seat, 1 mum, maybe two kids... What's the point ??!!!
Make the little bastards walk or introduce school buses like they have in the US.
Cars banned from Schools ??? Rubbish !!
How is a mother with three kids aged 1,3,and 5 suppost to get her 5 year old to school and the 3 year old to nursury 1 mile away all while taking the baby with her.
Believe me you don't want to be pushing your baby in a buggy in all weathers while 2 kids run around.
A car is the only option. Know one wants to take three kids on a bus every day, that is very hard work.
450 Chimp
How is a mother with three kids aged 1,3,and 5 suppost to get her 5 year old to school and the 3 year old to nursury 1 mile away all while taking the baby with her.
Believe me you don't want to be pushing your baby in a buggy in all weathers while 2 kids run around.
A car is the only option. Know one wants to take three kids on a bus every day, that is very hard work.
450 Chimp
Banning cars from the school run is a bit harsh, and not at all New Labour.
Much better to impose a total non-parking ban within, say, 0.5 miles of any school. This has obvious safety benefits. Enforce this strictly - mums appear to think traffic laws are for the blokes (they are not "real" motorists) so they don't have to obey them.
Give clampers free rein within the limit. Employ a few sprightly pensioners (the types who become lollipop, er, people) at minimum wage to head walking buses or whatever they are called at 5 min intervals from the 0.5 mile limit, or lay on milk float type electric trains to shuttle the kids to the school.
Impose a 15mph speed limit and no overtaking as well as no parking/waiting within the zone. That means no overtaking even a stationary school bus - like in the US.
Paint the road with white cross hatching or something equally obvious.
Erect speed cameras at every point a road enters the zone, of the type which compute speed between any two of them, so the 15mph limit would be obeyed (ie use speed cameras for genuine safety reasons). Ensure that these are only active on school days - they could be activated by the school itself if they have kids in on a weekend.
This could all be funded from the increased revenue from speed cameras - which is how the money is supposed to be used.
PS. I use to get the bus/walk to school over 5 miles away at the age of 4, but three decades on the world is busier and much less innocent than is was then.
Edited by philshort on Thursday 25th October 12:41
Much better to impose a total non-parking ban within, say, 0.5 miles of any school. This has obvious safety benefits. Enforce this strictly - mums appear to think traffic laws are for the blokes (they are not "real" motorists) so they don't have to obey them.
Give clampers free rein within the limit. Employ a few sprightly pensioners (the types who become lollipop, er, people) at minimum wage to head walking buses or whatever they are called at 5 min intervals from the 0.5 mile limit, or lay on milk float type electric trains to shuttle the kids to the school.
Impose a 15mph speed limit and no overtaking as well as no parking/waiting within the zone. That means no overtaking even a stationary school bus - like in the US.
Paint the road with white cross hatching or something equally obvious.
Erect speed cameras at every point a road enters the zone, of the type which compute speed between any two of them, so the 15mph limit would be obeyed (ie use speed cameras for genuine safety reasons). Ensure that these are only active on school days - they could be activated by the school itself if they have kids in on a weekend.
This could all be funded from the increased revenue from speed cameras - which is how the money is supposed to be used.
PS. I use to get the bus/walk to school over 5 miles away at the age of 4, but three decades on the world is busier and much less innocent than is was then.
Edited by philshort on Thursday 25th October 12:41
"Banning cars from the school run is a bit harsh, and not at all New Labour"
Great lets ban them then, I hate New Labour and all their shitty hypocritical double standard nonsense!
My office used to be in London and when the kids were off school the traffic was so good it used to cut 35 minutes off my journey time. Sorry to tar with the brush but most of these lazy pathetic parents drove 4X4's and are just too idle and too soft to let little Joshie and Fifi walk to school.
Make them walk to school if they can, IMO thats why all the kids are so fat now because they don't get any excercise.
That IMO is why there is so many accidents too, because they are sitting in a car instead of walking they don't have ANY road sense. Hence the accidents invovling kids.
Great lets ban them then, I hate New Labour and all their shitty hypocritical double standard nonsense!
My office used to be in London and when the kids were off school the traffic was so good it used to cut 35 minutes off my journey time. Sorry to tar with the brush but most of these lazy pathetic parents drove 4X4's and are just too idle and too soft to let little Joshie and Fifi walk to school.
Make them walk to school if they can, IMO thats why all the kids are so fat now because they don't get any excercise.
That IMO is why there is so many accidents too, because they are sitting in a car instead of walking they don't have ANY road sense. Hence the accidents invovling kids.
rather than being lazy 
The borderline 'white trash' across the road, with mother not working, drive their kids up to the school 300m away in their rattly old Fiesta.
Next door, both parents working, he a petrolhead, 1 people carrier, 1 kit car, 4 'bikes (one of which he races) always walk the kid to and from school.
Does wind me up a little.
But its still almost a free country - I see a lot of arguements here against the 'Nanny-State' and excessive rules limiting 'freedom' (esp re motoring) - but then draconian rules are suggested against how parents may wish to use their cars...
Some people might want to make their minds up?
That came out more seriously than I meant it
Next door, both parents working, he a petrolhead, 1 people carrier, 1 kit car, 4 'bikes (one of which he races) always walk the kid to and from school.
Does wind me up a little.
But its still almost a free country - I see a lot of arguements here against the 'Nanny-State' and excessive rules limiting 'freedom' (esp re motoring) - but then draconian rules are suggested against how parents may wish to use their cars...
Some people might want to make their minds up?
That came out more seriously than I meant it
I have to agree with everything written here! It's not just down to the drivers, parents as well a road is a place for cars not children. It will take a conciencious effort from both sides to stop children getting injured or killed! More road safety training needs to be given to children of all ages and i do agree with speed cameras outside schools! A mate of mine decided to drive his car at 60 (30) up a hill leading to a school,
came over the top, infront of the school, to be confronted by a car doing a U - turn about 150yrds down the hill! 4 wheel lock up, t-boned the car, usual stuff, only the car was carrying 3 children which had just been collected from said school! 5 children standing on pavement yards from the crash!!! He's 20 and it doesn't look like he's being charged with anything, though it has only been a month! This is where the police are failing!!! Speed camera's would have stopped him doing 60!! he no' do 60, he no' hit car!!!
Stuart Brindle
came over the top, infront of the school, to be confronted by a car doing a U - turn about 150yrds down the hill! 4 wheel lock up, t-boned the car, usual stuff, only the car was carrying 3 children which had just been collected from said school! 5 children standing on pavement yards from the crash!!! He's 20 and it doesn't look like he's being charged with anything, though it has only been a month! This is where the police are failing!!! Speed camera's would have stopped him doing 60!! he no' do 60, he no' hit car!!! Stuart Brindle
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Speed camera would have stopped him? Not so sure about that as he sounds a complete loon anyway.
Better driver training is needed.
I agree, stopped him, maybe not, make him think twice. Possibly, you really have to meet this guy to see that he is just a total knob. I just can't describe him at all!!!! He claims he went through all this pass plus business but having seen him drive, i think his driving licence came from a Christmas Cracker or free with an air freshener!!!!
Stuart Brindle
I think it is wrong for parent to carry their kids on 4X4(Common) or other car because as you know this week is half term and the main road which I commute from Home to Work is empty which took me from my home in Derby to Sheffield take about 50 mins...but!!! when the school is on again and it take me bleeding 1 1/2 hours as I keep seeing all the 4X4 etc..I think it need to be introduced American style yellow bus to minimise the traffic...
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I remember being scared to death of public info films as a kid, I certainly never played frisbee near a nuclear power station
I wonder how many actual fatalities there were of frisbee playing kids?
Not many, at a guess. No day of rememberance for 'Frisbee Friday'... the day in 1978 when 32 children with mullets and chopper bikes simultaeously went up in smoke across the country.
I was also scared of playing frisbee near pylons, getting into cars with strangers, flying kites in electrical storms, crossing the road, putting my head out of moving trains etc. No wonder I didn't leave the house until I was 26.
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