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I have a 12" powerbook running OSX 10.2.4 with 356mf RAM.
I have wiped the machine and reinstalled the OS however the machine takes about 8 mins to full start up. Is this normal? I am aware this is an old machine (4 years) but it seems a little long.
Any pointers or reassurance is appreciated
I have wiped the machine and reinstalled the OS however the machine takes about 8 mins to full start up. Is this normal? I am aware this is an old machine (4 years) but it seems a little long.
Any pointers or reassurance is appreciated
So you reinstalled 10.2.x or did you upgrade to 10.4? That amount of RAM is OK (but still not great) for 10.2 but will barely run 10.4.
I can't remember about 10.2 but I think it works in a similar way to 10.4 in that the kext dependancies get cached on startup but it takes a couple of starts to get the cache fully populated and indexed correctly. Every OS upgrade or reinstall requires a cache rebuild.
I can't remember about 10.2 but I think it works in a similar way to 10.4 in that the kext dependancies get cached on startup but it takes a couple of starts to get the cache fully populated and indexed correctly. Every OS upgrade or reinstall requires a cache rebuild.
That's far too slow. You need more memory (10.4 really only works well with > 512MB) but even so, Mrs Jameson's iBook (2004 vintage, 933MHz G4) booted up a damn sight quicker than that even when it had only 256MB in it.
If I were a betting man, I'd say there's disk devilry at work. Use Disk Utility to repair the volume and the permissions, and see where you go after that.
It might also be worth having a look in Console to see if there's anything informative in the system logs.
ETA: Also, give Applejack a go and let it clean up your caches.
If I were a betting man, I'd say there's disk devilry at work. Use Disk Utility to repair the volume and the permissions, and see where you go after that.
It might also be worth having a look in Console to see if there's anything informative in the system logs.
ETA: Also, give Applejack a go and let it clean up your caches.
Edited by CommanderJameson on Sunday 4th February 13:12
CommanderJameson said:
That's far too slow. You need more memory (10.4 really only works well with > 512MB) but even so, Mrs Jameson's iBook (2004 vintage, 933MHz G4) booted up a damn sight quicker than that even when it had only 256MB in it.
If I were a betting man, I'd say there's disk devilry at work. Use Disk Utility to repair the volume and the permissions, and see where you go after that.
It might also be worth having a look in Console to see if there's anything informative in the system logs.
ETA: Also, give Applejack a go and let it clean up your caches.
If I were a betting man, I'd say there's disk devilry at work. Use Disk Utility to repair the volume and the permissions, and see where you go after that.
It might also be worth having a look in Console to see if there's anything informative in the system logs.
ETA: Also, give Applejack a go and let it clean up your caches.
Edited by CommanderJameson on Sunday 4th February 13:12
Can you tell me how to do the above recommendations or point me in the right direction
robbieduncan said:
So you reinstalled 10.2.x or did you upgrade to 10.4? That amount of RAM is OK (but still not great) for 10.2 but will barely run 10.4.
I can't remember about 10.2 but I think it works in a similar way to 10.4 in that the kext dependancies get cached on startup but it takes a couple of starts to get the cache fully populated and indexed correctly. Every OS upgrade or reinstall requires a cache rebuild.
I can't remember about 10.2 but I think it works in a similar way to 10.4 in that the kext dependancies get cached on startup but it takes a couple of starts to get the cache fully populated and indexed correctly. Every OS upgrade or reinstall requires a cache rebuild.
I just reinstalled the system with 10.2.4 which was the version of the OS it came with when bought it all those years ago.
hoddo said:
CommanderJameson said:
That's far too slow. You need more memory (10.4 really only works well with > 512MB) but even so, Mrs Jameson's iBook (2004 vintage, 933MHz G4) booted up a damn sight quicker than that even when it had only 256MB in it.
If I were a betting man, I'd say there's disk devilry at work. Use Disk Utility to repair the volume and the permissions, and see where you go after that.
It might also be worth having a look in Console to see if there's anything informative in the system logs.
ETA: Also, give Applejack a go and let it clean up your caches.
If I were a betting man, I'd say there's disk devilry at work. Use Disk Utility to repair the volume and the permissions, and see where you go after that.
It might also be worth having a look in Console to see if there's anything informative in the system logs.
ETA: Also, give Applejack a go and let it clean up your caches.
Edited by CommanderJameson on Sunday 4th February 13:12
Can you tell me how to do the above recommendations or point me in the right direction
Okey dokey. Please bear in mind that I've got 10.4.8 here, and so things *may* be a little different for you.
To use Applejack, download and install it from the link above.
Then, reboot your Mac and hold down Command-S. (Command is the Apple key)
You'll see some white text on a black background and finish up at a command prompt.
Type "applejack AUTO" and press return. This will start Applejack in fully automatic mode and will cause it to carry out a full check and deep-clean of your system, specifically cache files and old VM files. Applejack won't delete anything you need, so don't worry if it seems to be deleting a lot of files.
Alternatively, you can use Disk Utility to repair the volume and permissions - but Applejack will do this.
Disk Utility is in the Utilities folder in Applications.
Click on your system disk in the left pane.
Click on Verify Disk in the right pane. If the information panel on the right-hand-side says anything about needing repair, you'll need to boot off your OS X installation CD (insert cd, restart Mac, hold down C key) and repair it.
You can repair permissions from Disk Utility, too. Click the Repair Disk Permissions button. It takes ages, so don't panic.
Edited by CommanderJameson on Sunday 4th February 13:28
CommanderJameson said:
hoddo said:
CommanderJameson said:
That's far too slow. You need more memory (10.4 really only works well with > 512MB) but even so, Mrs Jameson's iBook (2004 vintage, 933MHz G4) booted up a damn sight quicker than that even when it had only 256MB in it.
If I were a betting man, I'd say there's disk devilry at work. Use Disk Utility to repair the volume and the permissions, and see where you go after that.
It might also be worth having a look in Console to see if there's anything informative in the system logs.
ETA: Also, give Applejack a go and let it clean up your caches.
If I were a betting man, I'd say there's disk devilry at work. Use Disk Utility to repair the volume and the permissions, and see where you go after that.
It might also be worth having a look in Console to see if there's anything informative in the system logs.
ETA: Also, give Applejack a go and let it clean up your caches.
Edited by CommanderJameson on Sunday 4th February 13:12
Can you tell me how to do the above recommendations or point me in the right direction
Okey dokey. Please bear in mind that I've got 10.4.8 here, and so things *may* be a little different for you.
To use Applejack, download and install it from the link above.
Then, reboot your Mac and hold down Command-S. (Command is the Apple key)
You'll see some white text on a black background and finish up at a command prompt.
Type "applejack AUTO" and press return. This will start Applejack in fully automatic mode and will cause it to carry out a full check and deep-clean of your system, specifically cache files and old VM files. Applejack won't delete anything you need, so don't worry if it seems to be deleting a lot of files.
Alternatively, you can use Disk Utility to repair the volume and permissions - but Applejack will do this.
Disk Utility is in the Utilities folder in Applications.
Click on your system disk in the left pane.
Click on Verify Disk in the right pane. If the information panel on the right-hand-side says anything about needing repair, you'll need to boot off your OS X installation CD (insert cd, restart Mac, hold down C key) and repair it.
You can repair permissions from Disk Utility, too. Click the Repair Disk Permissions button. It takes ages, so don't panic.
Edited by CommanderJameson on Sunday 4th February 13:28
Thank you. I have applejack doing its thing now.
Definitely something wrong.
If what you're doing doesn't work, I'd start by zapping the PRAM. May well be a rogue connected device, or something as bad as the hard drive on it's way.
If you've got another Mac, you can boot off that.
Some good tips here www.macfixit.com/article.php?story
Good luck.
magic torch said:
Definitely something wrong.
If what you're doing doesn't work, I'd start by zapping the PRAM. May well be a rogue connected device, or something as bad as the hard drive on it's way.
If you've got another Mac, you can boot off that.
Some good tips here www.macfixit.com/article.php?story
Good luck.
I will certainly try zapping the PRAM after applejack has finished.
hoddo said:
Well I have restarted the machine since applejack completed and it has now booted in under 3 minutes. Great.
Can anyone explain in layman terms what applejack has done to my system to speed it up? I would like to know what has happened
Can anyone explain in layman terms what applejack has done to my system to speed it up? I would like to know what has happened
I would imagine that you had old and fusty cache files lying around, the processing of which was slow, and that Applejack has removed.
If some of your file permissions were wrong, this too can cause things to take far longer than they should. Applejack fixed those, too.
10.2 did have some bugs in as I remember, which often caused long start up times. However, by the time 10.2.8 came along it was all sorted out very nicely.
You say you are still running 10.2.4, so I would certainly suggest upgrading to 10.2.8 which I believe was the latest version of 10.2
Its worth doing as it is quite a bit faster also.
And yes, if you can, it is worth upgrading the ram also.
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You say you are still running 10.2.4, so I would certainly suggest upgrading to 10.2.8 which I believe was the latest version of 10.2
Its worth doing as it is quite a bit faster also.
And yes, if you can, it is worth upgrading the ram also.
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