Letter bombs attack scamera operators?
Discussion
Just listening to the news, and there has apparently been another letter bomb following the one to the congestion tax operator. This one may be aimed at Vantis who collect speeding fines. Story at http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0
While I can't condone physically endangering anyone for a political end, I haven't found anyone prepared to say "how terrible". Wonder why.
Ian
While I can't condone physically endangering anyone for a political end, I haven't found anyone prepared to say "how terrible". Wonder why.
Ian
I think it's terrible. I really do. And anyone who doesn't condemn it shouldn't be able to sleep at night, I'm stunned by the lack of conscience that some people have, (or don't have).
I don't like my local MP. Shall I blow him up? I don't like the post office. Shall I blow them up? I don't like the Inland Revenue, shall I blow them up? I don't like Traffic Wardens, shall I blow them up?
I really think anyone who doesn't condemn this behaviour is out of their mind!!!
I don't like my local MP. Shall I blow him up? I don't like the post office. Shall I blow them up? I don't like the Inland Revenue, shall I blow them up? I don't like Traffic Wardens, shall I blow them up?
I really think anyone who doesn't condemn this behaviour is out of their mind!!!
If the grievance at behind this is what a lot of people suspect, I think the imay interesting part is how desparate some people are becoming at the lack of representation that this Government embodies.
And yes, I do "condemn" the action (although it's another example of PC phraseology), but could understand the motivation that might have led to it.
Ian
[quote=imfinlay]Just listening to the news, and there has apparently been another letter bomb following the one to the congestion tax operator. This one may be aimed at Vantis who collect speeding fines. Story at http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0
While I can't condone physically endangering anyone for a political end, I haven't found anyone prepared to say "how terrible". Wonder why.
I agree with your sentiments exactly. However I think this does show peoples desperation though. We are always being told we are lucky to live in a democracy, however what has gone on regarding the harrasment of motorists in the last few years is criminal at a political level, and I think the government we have now acts almost as a dictatorship on many other issues. If you saw the Sunday Times last week it had an article entitles who is the most likely to have a driving ban ? The law abiding and TAX paying businessman/woman in a fully legal car with a generally good accident/driving record, or the hooded thug driving either a totally illegal or stolen car, and for the most part very recklessly to boot.
While I can't condone physically endangering anyone for a political end, I haven't found anyone prepared to say "how terrible". Wonder why.
I agree with your sentiments exactly. However I think this does show peoples desperation though. We are always being told we are lucky to live in a democracy, however what has gone on regarding the harrasment of motorists in the last few years is criminal at a political level, and I think the government we have now acts almost as a dictatorship on many other issues. If you saw the Sunday Times last week it had an article entitles who is the most likely to have a driving ban ? The law abiding and TAX paying businessman/woman in a fully legal car with a generally good accident/driving record, or the hooded thug driving either a totally illegal or stolen car, and for the most part very recklessly to boot.
3 bombs, 3 days, militant wing of pistonheads?
Cant see how maiming + trying to kill the postal departments of companies associated with traffic regulation is going to do anything positive for anyone. Worringly it may become a case of the few blighting the many - think how a few extremists have smeared the muslim race and how a few extreme animal rights protesters have done the same for the larger body of peaceful protesters. Its on a smaller scale but anyone now standing up for the right of the motorist will be viewed with major suspicion.
Cant see how maiming + trying to kill the postal departments of companies associated with traffic regulation is going to do anything positive for anyone. Worringly it may become a case of the few blighting the many - think how a few extremists have smeared the muslim race and how a few extreme animal rights protesters have done the same for the larger body of peaceful protesters. Its on a smaller scale but anyone now standing up for the right of the motorist will be viewed with major suspicion.
Jeez, this is rank - www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/david_aaronovitch/article1299125.ece
Not even an attempt to hide tha fact that the author is anti car because he/she/it is anti "middle class". Pure class envy.
Not even an attempt to hide tha fact that the author is anti car because he/she/it is anti "middle class". Pure class envy.
JonRB said:
Guys - just a heads up. This thread had already been linked to by the Guardian website here
Edit: Before anyone asks, I do not read the Grauniad - I have a google alert set for pistonheads and it fired with that link.
Am I on telly??!?? Hi Mum!!!! Edit: Before anyone asks, I do not read the Grauniad - I have a google alert set for pistonheads and it fired with that link.
Edited by JonRB on Wednesday 7th February 21:38
Ofcorse those actions are no good...but that is what you get when you have a stupid point system on driverslicense with the great riks they take your license!! people take it far...but when its anough its anough! don't steal or freedom of driving stay away from our license and stop Nanny us...what do you want? a life where you live "free" or a life in rules and nanny(thats not a live!) ofcorse people need to use their brains when driving and take notice to other people but its busy out there so once in a while somebody dies... so what??(then I'm not talking about dad by bombs ofcorse but in accedents you can not Nanny that all the roads are crowded and ofcorse you need some common sence when driving, but we also need some freedom where roads aloud and conditions permit ofcorse.
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victormeldrew said:
Jeez, this is rank - www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/david_aaronovitch/article1299125.ece
Not even an attempt to hide tha fact that the author is anti car because he/she/it is anti "middle class". Pure class envy.
Not even an attempt to hide tha fact that the author is anti car because he/she/it is anti "middle class". Pure class envy.
Just a blinkered view from someone who can only see their own situation and therefore an opportunity to spout 'fashionable London set' drivvle if you ask me.
As has been said before, its a sad state of affairs when someone goes to such lengths to get their point across but it does show just how bad the system is when people resort to violence. The violence appears to be targetted at the motorists pain in the backside, the DVLA & its related cronies & sheer lack of the motorists input into the way the system operates.
If the system was more representable, with greater accountancy & clearer goals not operated then this probably would'nt happen. The fact is we have unelected bodies creaming profits from a system thats way way over complicated, employing far too many people who all don't want to give up their lovely cash cow, much of it in the name of safety & getting back at the motorist which quite frankly nearly every sensible person can see is utter
The frustrations of one person/organisation might actually highlight something that needs sorting out & here's an idea thats been pointed out before, I may as well mention it as it would be appear lots of people are going to read it!
Rather than the government introduce more tiers of beurocracy such as the new planned insurance legislation, pay per mile road tolls & mass surveilance. Simply change the current system to one that operates well in many other countries around the world. 3rd party liabilty insurance (tendered annually by the insurance co's) & road tax included in the cost of road fuel, in one huge swoop masses of the DVLA's huge incompetetent workforce would be gone, no need to for hugely expensive database system that are only 40% correct, no need for new legislation as every car that moved would be insured, no need to SORN your car or pay fines if you make a clerical mistake (of which there are many) this would eliminate the uninsured & untaxed overnight. But no this government wants to creat beaurocracy & introduce new laws so it can employ even more supporters & tax the motorist to hell & back while their at it. We the motorists have no say in whats going on, it just gets presented to us with no way of refusing it.
I don't condone the actions in any way, but when we have such unaccountable systems & many more planned its no wonder people get angry.
If the system was more representable, with greater accountancy & clearer goals not operated then this probably would'nt happen. The fact is we have unelected bodies creaming profits from a system thats way way over complicated, employing far too many people who all don't want to give up their lovely cash cow, much of it in the name of safety & getting back at the motorist which quite frankly nearly every sensible person can see is utter
The frustrations of one person/organisation might actually highlight something that needs sorting out & here's an idea thats been pointed out before, I may as well mention it as it would be appear lots of people are going to read it!
Rather than the government introduce more tiers of beurocracy such as the new planned insurance legislation, pay per mile road tolls & mass surveilance. Simply change the current system to one that operates well in many other countries around the world. 3rd party liabilty insurance (tendered annually by the insurance co's) & road tax included in the cost of road fuel, in one huge swoop masses of the DVLA's huge incompetetent workforce would be gone, no need to for hugely expensive database system that are only 40% correct, no need for new legislation as every car that moved would be insured, no need to SORN your car or pay fines if you make a clerical mistake (of which there are many) this would eliminate the uninsured & untaxed overnight. But no this government wants to creat beaurocracy & introduce new laws so it can employ even more supporters & tax the motorist to hell & back while their at it. We the motorists have no say in whats going on, it just gets presented to us with no way of refusing it.
I don't condone the actions in any way, but when we have such unaccountable systems & many more planned its no wonder people get angry.
Edited by cptsideways on Thursday 8th February 09:33
Edited by cptsideways on Thursday 8th February 09:51
cptsideways said:
Rather than the government introduce more tiers of beurocracy such as the new planned insurance legislation, pay per mile road tolls & mass surveilance. Simply change the current system to one that operates well in many other countries around the world. 3rd party liabilty insurance (tendered annually by the insurance co's) & road tax included in the cost of road fuel, in one huge swoop masses of the DVLA's huge incompetetent workforce would be gone, no need to for hugely expensive database system that are only 40% correct, no need for new legislation as every car that moved would be insured, no need to SORN your car or pay fines if you make a clerical mistake (of which there are many) this would eliminate the uninsured & untaxed overnight. But no this government wants to creat beaurocracy & introduce new laws so it can employ even more supporters & tax the motorist to hell & back while their at it. We the motorists have no say in whats going on, it just gets presented to us with no way of refusing it.
No comment, just thought that worthy of repetition. Just a though, but if so many people are so pissed off about the cameras, why aren't there more people trying to get elected in order to do something about it? If consultants can get elected to keep hospitals open, and a journo can get elected to stop sleaze, then surely ant-camera campaigners could get some council seats and stand for parliament?
It's got to be a better way to do it rather than sending people mail bombs like the ALF...
It's got to be a better way to do it rather than sending people mail bombs like the ALF...
because solicitors and teachers (usually leftist) are running this country!
they "know" better and let's suppose you take out a scamera and the next week one dies there... well whoever took that scamera away would be under PC pressure...
we are living in terrible times: the people who DO are run by people who do nothing other than enforcing their view on how things should be done... is it clear?
hope so 
A67
they "know" better and let's suppose you take out a scamera and the next week one dies there... well whoever took that scamera away would be under PC pressure...
we are living in terrible times: the people who DO are run by people who do nothing other than enforcing their view on how things should be done... is it clear?
hope so A67
aston67 said:
because solicitors and teachers (usually leftist) are running this country!
they "know" better and let's suppose you take out a scamera and the next week one dies there... well whoever took that scamera away would be under PC pressure...
we are living in terrible times: the people who DO are run by people who do nothing other than enforcing their view on how things should be done... is it clear? hope so
A67
they "know" better and let's suppose you take out a scamera and the next week one dies there... well whoever took that scamera away would be under PC pressure...
we are living in terrible times: the people who DO are run by people who do nothing other than enforcing their view on how things should be done... is it clear?
hope so A67
Horseshit. If the BNP can get enough votes to get council seats, then surely there are enough pissed off motorists to do the same. The UK is still a democracy, time to put it to use.
Or could it be that no one feels strongly enough to put in the graft of knocking on doors, printing up leaflets and putting in the effort?
Moment of truth situation needed. Most drivers only feel bitter enough to do something when they are greaved. Think parking ticket, scamera fine, or
as is the case in London N8 having your car broken into.
I saw one of those Smart cars with a camera in the roof for the 1st time, two occupants, Old Kent Road. Can you imagine the expense? And someone told me Id have to ring up Westminster Council to book a parking space in the West End. All this on the same day I saw the 10th car broken into.
This Government dont care if there's no money in it for them.
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