RE: TVR's name goes up for sale
RE: TVR's name goes up for sale
Wednesday 7th February 2007

TVR's name goes up for sale

Trademark sale raises hope for TVR's future


TVR Tuscan convertible: back in production soon?
TVR Tuscan convertible: back in production soon?

The TVR trademark is up for sale.

Contrary to what most people -- including PistonHeads -- believed, it now appears that the TVR trademark is owned by Blackpool Automotive, the production company that TVR owner Nikolai Smolenski spun off, and which used to be called TVR Engineering.

PistonHeads' investigations with the UK's Patents Office have revealed that Blackpool Automotive, currently in administration, owns the TVR trademark -- and that the company's up for sale (see link below).

Blackpool Automotive's listed assets include:

  • TVR trade marks for the UK, EU & US
  • Moulds & tooling - TVR Tuscan, Tamora, Sagaris & T350
  • Leasehold premises 14,000 sq m
  • Manufacturing plant, equipment, fixtures and fittings
  • Work in progress and vehicle stock
  • Draft turnover 12 months 31 December 2005 - £18.87m

Smolenski spun off TVR Engineering (as it was then called) from the holding company with the aim of moving production elsewhere, originally to another site in Blackpool and then -- when talks with the local council fell through -- abroad, with Bertone's factory in Italy strongly tipped.

It was thought that Smolenski had retained the trademark in the holding company but this now appears to be incorrect.

As to who's buying Blackpool Automotive, no-one's gone public but there is speculation that Al Melling, one of three engineers credited with the design of the TVR AJP engine (he's the A, as in Al, of that acronym) is interested. If true, then Melling is one of some 15-20 investors who have expressed an interest in buying the company, according to a story in the Independent newspaper. Melling is also progenitor of the already infamous four-turbo, 1,200bhp 6-litre V10-powered Hellcat.

TVR's directors, in the form of managing director David Oxley and Smolenski, aren't saying anything.

However the upshot is that Blackpool Automotive, rather than just owning TVR's physical assets, which have been described as being in less than perfect condition, also owns the name. This makes the company far more valuable, and means that a buyer will be able to restart TVR production with the right badge on the cars' bonnets. As long as their pockets are deep enough, that is.

While speculation about the future can be illuminating, it shouldn't be forgotten that hundreds of livelihoods were in TVR's hands. This news sheds just a glimmer of hope that those livelihoods -- and all that hard-earned expertise and know-how -- may at some point be rescued.

Let's hope so.

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scotty_917

Original Poster:

1,034 posts

252 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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a flicker of light & good luck to them...come back Peter Wheeler? thumbup

keithyboy

1,940 posts

300 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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. . . maybe some light at the end of the tunnel after all. Unfortunately there's no still guarantee that production will stay in GB though . . . as ever, lets wait and see.


Edited by keithyboy on Wednesday 7th February 11:18

Sonic Nonsense

283 posts

255 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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Anyone reckon there's enough spare money around in the pockets of the PH boys and girls to club together and buy TVR?

That would be very cool indeed!

hendry

1,945 posts

312 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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This gets more confusing with every snippet of news. So as Blackpool Automotive is, in effect, all the stuff to restart TVR production and call them TVRs, what exactly is it that NS has ended up with?

Other than the record for pissing £15M down the drain in the least amount of time...

900T-R

20,406 posts

287 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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hendry said:

what exactly is it that NS has ended up with?



At a WAG: nowt.

jaker

3,950 posts

299 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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does seem peculiar,

but if you've got a business that's gonna lose you more than it's worth in the near future, getting shot is the cheapest thing to do...

autoart

153 posts

239 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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Looks like the Russian has screwed up and not read the small print. Do we feel sorry for him...?

hard one that....

Of course not....

ROFLMAO

Here's hoping someone can now save not just the production line, but the jobs too for all those working for TVR. I'm used to our brands being bought up by overseas investment, but who ever saves it, they must keep production here in the UK.

Maybe if the UK Government had not wasted over £4billion (and still counting) on an illegal war overseas, they could have helped out these people in Blackpool saving 100's of jobs rather than killing 100's of our solders!

bluebottle

3,498 posts

270 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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The TVR badge issue aside there is another problem here, BA ltd sold the Right's (and moulds) for the Tuscan I, T350 etc to TVR Power. In addition to this didn't NS ship the Sargaris and Tuscan II mould out of the country?
Even if he has dropped a b@ll@ck with the regard to the models as well as the badge (I wouldn't be surprised if he has) getting those moulds/tooling back will be impossible won't it?

the pits

4,290 posts

270 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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So it would seem talk of Italy and Bertone is, and probably always was, complete balls. NS just cut his (considerable) losses pissed off into the sunset. I've tried hard to reserve my judgement about him until now. What a tosser he turned out to be!

It's very good news that TVR have seen the back of NS and that they might continue with a new owner, and hopefully in Britain. Take a bow all those who attended and organised London Thunder, that event could genuinely have made all the difference as it would be hard for the new owner to ignore.

But it's a bit sobering that up until something rises from the ashes, there is currently no TVR. The main concerns for current owners being no parts being made and no warranty being honoured.


Edited by the pits on Wednesday 7th February 11:41

Uncle Bulgaria

980 posts

260 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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autoart said:

Maybe if the UK Government had not wasted over £4billion (and still counting) on an illegal war overseas, they could have helped out these people in Blackpool saving 100's of jobs rather than killing 100's of our solders!







UB said

Or even spent some of that money on soldiers equipment.



Edited by Uncle Bulgaria on Wednesday 7th February 12:10



Edited by Uncle Bulgaria on Wednesday 7th February 12:12

F355GTS

3,873 posts

285 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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I've never owned one but always been impressed, I hope to see the Marque resurrected thumbup

Mr.Chips

1,252 posts

244 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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Uncle Bulgaria said:


Maybe if the UK Government had not wasted over £4billion (and still counting) on an illegal war overseas, they could have helped out these people in Blackpool saving 100's of jobs rather than killing 100's of our solders!




Controversial, but very true!
Bear in mind that successive Governments waste money in many different ways. Going back to the 1970's, Jensen were in financial difficulties, but rather than bale them out of the sh1t, the Government of the day chose to invest many millions of pounds on the Delorean project in Belfast. We all know what happened to that!

Uncle Bulgaria

980 posts

260 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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Mr.Chips said:
Uncle Bulgaria said:


Maybe if the UK Government had not wasted over £4billion (and still counting) on an illegal war overseas, they could have helped out these people in Blackpool saving 100's of jobs rather than killing 100's of our solders!




Controversial, but very true!
Bear in mind that successive Governments waste money in many different ways. Going back to the 1970's, Jensen were in financial difficulties, but rather than bale them out of the sh1t, the Government of the day chose to invest many millions of pounds on the Delorean project in Belfast. We all know what happened to that!



sorry, i did not say that.

what i said was better to spend the money on soldiers kit.

russian rocket

874 posts

266 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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independent said:


paid £15m for TVR when he bought it in 2004 and is since thought to have invested another £30m.




Didn't he start out worth £45M, in which case ......

Trouble is as I see it if the company lost £45M in 2y then who would want to take this on

erijaso

505 posts

285 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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Wonder if Dickie Branson is interested in his own car co?

cirvy

2,331 posts

293 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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The McLaren boys are taking their money out as we speak, i would have thought they would be ideal with £80M burning a hole

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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erijaso said:
Wonder if Dickie Branson is interested in his own car co?


I know several people have brought it to his attention in the last year or so.

97octane

2,203 posts

253 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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russian rocket said:
independent said:


paid £15m for TVR when he bought it in 2004 and is since thought to have invested another £30m.




Didn't he start out worth £45M, in which case ......

Trouble is as I see it if the company lost £45M in 2y then who would want to take this on

Just because NS lost it, doesn't mean it couldn't do well in the right hands. After all the current range is very exciting, quality & build were improving, new warranties would have helped confidence in the marque.... And what else does what a TVR does for the money?
It goes to show that boys shouldn't play men's games

hendry

1,945 posts

312 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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Mr.Chips said:
Bear in mind that successive Governments waste money in many different ways. Going back to the 1970's, Jensen were in financial difficulties, but rather than bale them out of the sh1t, the Government of the day chose to invest many millions of pounds on the Delorean project in Belfast. We all know what happened to that!


Jensen hit hard times in 1974 with the oil crisis when the market dried up. De Lorean were around early 80's with a boom market, finally going tits up in 1982 due to bad management and a crap product. Some time difference, not to mention a change of government.

Anyway, is it any government's responsibility to bail a company out because of bad management? I wonder if they'd give my company a hand out to keep going if I decided I prefered watching reruns of Deal or No deal all day?

I hope TVR keeps going, and this month's Evo article suggests the last of the line Sagaris' were well made. One for all those who are likely to miss out on the Aston purchase perhaps?

alexkp

16,484 posts

274 months

Wednesday 7th February 2007
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Despite all the vitriol, what this really demonstrates is just how poor a state TVR was in when NS bought it.

Regardless of what we might want to think of him, I doubt if he set out to lose money.

Whoever takes it on now will have to completely restructure the business - so don't be surprised if what emerges bears little resemblance to the TVR we know and love...