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Wow, will be interesting to see the verdict in the case where the widow of the Carrera GT owner who fatally crashed his car sues Porsche for supplying a car without sufficient driver training.
I think that people should have to pay 50/50 with the manafacturer to undertake some advance courses. If not to save their own lives but to save the lives of innocent individuals who get caught up in crashes due to out of control supercars.
I think that people should have to pay 50/50 with the manafacturer to undertake some advance courses. If not to save their own lives but to save the lives of innocent individuals who get caught up in crashes due to out of control supercars.
I do think that there is an argument for insisting that you should have to do a one day course before taking away your 200mph car out onto the roads (or show experience).
In theory, you will have worked your way up from slower cars bit by bit, but since loss of control is very rare nowadays, people can easily find that their first real "moment" happens at very, very high speeds, and then gets very bad very quickly.
If we want to make sure we are not legislated off the roads, perhaps this is one way to go.
In theory, you will have worked your way up from slower cars bit by bit, but since loss of control is very rare nowadays, people can easily find that their first real "moment" happens at very, very high speeds, and then gets very bad very quickly.
If we want to make sure we are not legislated off the roads, perhaps this is one way to go.
I think all makers of sports cars should offer this. Like lotus do at their test track. However lotus don't offer very many dates and also the price is very high. I'm sure there would be quite alot of demand for it, even just an open airfield to explore the limits on so you know exactly what your dealing with before you take the car on the open road where i'm sure many are tempted to find the limits and do so resulting in bad news 
Edited by funky on Sunday 11th February 13:32
Yeah, we need more legislation on licences. Try getting a bike licence now. You have to go through about 4 different steps if you want to ride a litre sportsbike. Does that stop people being prats and hurting themselves? Nope.
If the government tries to do the same thing with cars (surprised they didn't already, actually) then it'll just take longer and be more expensive to get a licence in the first place. I get the feeling that the kind of people that buy these cars are well aware of what they can do and just get it wrong. Doing that in relative safety on the track first might just slow them down on the road afterwards.
Surely if you can spank £100k + on a car, you can afford a couple of trackdays to get used to the thing? Maybe it should be down to the insurance companies to request proof of being able to handle these things BEFORE allowing you out on the roads to bend them. Or, what about getting an insurance discount if you've been on at least one trackday in the last 12 months? Imagine that.... I think it's called 'too good to be true'.
Alternatively, do a re-test every 5 years, with a skid pan or handling test as part of the test. That'll take out the prats who really can't drive and leave more room for those that can to wiggle their steering wheels a bit.
Can't wait....
If the government tries to do the same thing with cars (surprised they didn't already, actually) then it'll just take longer and be more expensive to get a licence in the first place. I get the feeling that the kind of people that buy these cars are well aware of what they can do and just get it wrong. Doing that in relative safety on the track first might just slow them down on the road afterwards.
Surely if you can spank £100k + on a car, you can afford a couple of trackdays to get used to the thing? Maybe it should be down to the insurance companies to request proof of being able to handle these things BEFORE allowing you out on the roads to bend them. Or, what about getting an insurance discount if you've been on at least one trackday in the last 12 months? Imagine that.... I think it's called 'too good to be true'.
Alternatively, do a re-test every 5 years, with a skid pan or handling test as part of the test. That'll take out the prats who really can't drive and leave more room for those that can to wiggle their steering wheels a bit.
Can't wait....
"In its first three months of sale, three LP640s were written off in high-speed crashes as drivers, seduced by the firepower of the V12 engine, drove way beyond their abilities or the car’s limits"
I'm fairly confident that it was the drivers limits, rather than the cars which was breached.
I'm fairly confident that it was the drivers limits, rather than the cars which was breached.
danhay said:
Surely if anyone other than the driver is to be held responsible it should be the government. They are the ones who set the standards in the driving test which licenses you to drive anything from a Citroen C1 to a Veyron. Yet it doesn't even include a motorway driving section.
Personally I feel that it requires a lot more driving skill to "saftly drive" one of those 5 year old Citroens that insist on trying to kill themselves overtaking my Lambo everynight on the A3 than to drive a high preformance sports car.
It still amazes me how fast people in drive in crap cars
traxx said:
danhay said:
Surely if anyone other than the driver is to be held responsible it should be the government. They are the ones who set the standards in the driving test which licenses you to drive anything from a Citroen C1 to a Veyron. Yet it doesn't even include a motorway driving section.
Personally I feel that it requires a lot more driving skill to "saftly drive" one of those 5 year old Citroens that insist on trying to kill themselves overtaking my Lambo everynight on the A3 than to drive a high preformance sports car.
It still amazes me how fast people in drive in crap cars
Yes but I think what they are getting at is what proportion of LP640 owners have crashed their cars? Quite a high proportion going on the reports.
When I got the Griff alot of insurers would tounch me as I had been without 'fast' car experience for over 7 years. Fair play to them I thought and perhaps all insurers should head this way and prevent alot of these type of accidents.
Perhaps being in possession of a suitable 2 day course should be only way to aquire insurance for certain cars. If you can afford the car you can afford the course.
Perhaps being in possession of a suitable 2 day course should be only way to aquire insurance for certain cars. If you can afford the car you can afford the course.
I Remember seeing some cock driving the amazing lp 640 like an idiot on uk roads with his mate filming behind, so I suppose you have to factor in the stupid t
t on film trying to be schumi for his friends to see on you tube, but in general I think its just us drivers not knowing what to do when it goes wrong and going far to fast in the first place. I have changed my driving a hell of a lot in my 360 (when its not in a bloody bubble of course) Its very very different from last 3 fast cars 996 C4s, 997 C2s and a 997 C4s, which really really were easy to drive very fast. I havent the confidence to drive as fast in the 360 and thankfully the tubi makes the sensation of speed greater than in the porsches (even with sports exhausts) so i'm content to drive at 70 in the 360 whereas I would be zooming around at 100 in the porsche trying to get the same buzz, it was only gonna be a matter of time until I was rolling down off the cat and fiddle!
t on film trying to be schumi for his friends to see on you tube, but in general I think its just us drivers not knowing what to do when it goes wrong and going far to fast in the first place. I have changed my driving a hell of a lot in my 360 (when its not in a bloody bubble of course) Its very very different from last 3 fast cars 996 C4s, 997 C2s and a 997 C4s, which really really were easy to drive very fast. I havent the confidence to drive as fast in the 360 and thankfully the tubi makes the sensation of speed greater than in the porsches (even with sports exhausts) so i'm content to drive at 70 in the 360 whereas I would be zooming around at 100 in the porsche trying to get the same buzz, it was only gonna be a matter of time until I was rolling down off the cat and fiddle!Gassing Station | Supercar General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff