Murci Weight Vs 997 Turbo Weight
Discussion
These are the book and websote stats for a Murci 6.2, not sure what a LP640 is.
Murci:
www.lamborghini.co.uk/?section=models&sub_section=4&model=murcielago
911 (997):
www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-turbo/featuresandspecs/
Murci:
www.lamborghini.co.uk/?section=models&sub_section=4&model=murcielago
911 (997):
www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-turbo/featuresandspecs/
Edited by CUE99T on Monday 12th February 11:08
andysv said:
i got the weights down as murcie lp640 @ 1856kg and a porky turbo @ 1557kg.
it says a 2 wheel drive diablo or gallardo are around 1550kg.
it says a 2 wheel drive diablo or gallardo are around 1550kg.
Dry weight on this page says a very different story!!
www.lamborghini.co.uk/?section=models&sub_section=4&model=murcielago_lp640
where did ya get that figure from Andy?
for the money.If you want to remove weight from a Murcie fast then take out the back box. It takes 2 hands to lift it off the ground so I guess it weighs 50 Kilo's easily. It looks as though its been welded by a bunch of chimpanzee's and is still being fitted to LP640's. By comparison the Tubi back box probably weighs 10 Kilo's or so - easily picked up by one hand. Why Lamborghini insist on fitting that pile of junk in the rear I don't know. But what I do know is it made an instant difference to the sharpness of the Murcie's response and is well worth dumping asap.
Jonny5 said:
all lambo weight figures are a tad optimistic, think Mike Emerton got his G weight
The very lovely Mr W is indeed correct.
The Gallardo was about 150kgs heavier than it was supposed to be (even after taking into account E-gear, satnav etc).
There is no way a Murci weighs anything close to 1650kgs. Big lardy engine, steel space frame, medieval transmission, drivers medallion and chest wig, etc.
Porsche can normally be relied upon to be accurate (I suspect the TuV system see to that), but an Italian will be lying about weight if his lips are moving.
I dare say the bloke who dreams up the noise test results at Sant'Agata is related to the weight guy.
crikeymikey said:
Jonny5 said:
all lambo weight figures are a tad optimistic, think Mike Emerton got his G weight
The very lovely Mr W is indeed correct.
The Gallardo was about 150kgs heavier than it was supposed to be (even after taking into account E-gear, satnav etc).
There is no way a Murci weighs anything close to 1650kgs. Big lardy engine, steel space frame, medieval transmission, drivers medallion and chest wig, etc.
Porsche can normally be relied upon to be accurate (I suspect the TuV system see to that), but an Italian will be lying about weight if his lips are moving.
I dare say the bloke who dreams up the noise test results at Sant'Agata is related to the weight guy.
Mike, why does the books and sites all say these figures if they are all wrong, does that mean the speed and bhp figures is also wrong? What about tyre pressures, what about alot of things in that case?
I'm not keen on sweeping statements, I like facts and at the moment, no-one has weighed a car on their bathroom scales so I think the figures should be what we go on.
If ya can prove to me otherwise then I'll shut my gob.
just to look at the two cars makes me think one aint only 80kgs heavier 
CUE99T said:
If ya can prove to me otherwise then I'll shut my gob.
Paul. Would NEVER want you to shut yer gob, mate.
The point, I guess, is that historically Italian manufacturers claims have always been a bit iffy. Some say the same of their power figures. And claims about early Countachs doing 186mph were also a little liberal (although I dare say the clocks would be saying that as Veglia were to accuracy what Lucas were to illumination!).
Things like tyre pressures will be right because, thanks to our litigious colonial cousins, a manufacturer can be rendered pennyless in a heartbeat if they misrepresent potential safety issues.
To Lamborghini's credit, both the Gallardo and Murci perform exactly as their reported power to weight ratios suggest they should. And that's probably more important than any thing else.
In independant tests the Gallardo's acceleration from 0-100 was almost identical every single time (very occasionally actually faster). This confirms that, as grip is likely to be similar due to the same viscous coupled 4WD being used, it's fair to conclude that the power to weight must be the same. Ergo, if the Gallardo is over weight so must the Murci be.
In Autocar's recent Top Speed Test, the Murci trounced the 599 on top speed (well, by 3mph) due to superior aerodynamics but in the in-gear sprint times the Murci lagged behind even though their weight was alledgedly similar. Now I know that gearing has a massive effect on these figures (a fact which elludes most people) but it also suggests someone may be fibbing about fat.
I could also be talking bollox. But it'll be informed bollox!
Nice to use the word "ergo" once in while.
How's the chest wig, Paul?
crikeymikey said:
How's the chest wig, Paul?
it's fine, and it's ok cos it's the stripped out version....just the backing!!
Seriously though Mikey, I'm just a layman in all of these cars terms, and if truth be told I expect it to be heavier than 1650kg, but it doesn't feel heavy in alot of ways.....I guess I'd just like a proper figure that was real.
Ta
P
CUE99T said:
crikeymikey said:
How's the chest wig, Paul?
it's fine, and it's ok cos it's the stripped out version....just the backing!!
Seriously though Mikey, I'm just a layman in all of these cars terms, and if truth be told I expect it to be heavier than 1650kg, but it doesn't feel heavy in alot of ways.....I guess I'd just like a proper figure that was real.
Ta
P
Carbon Kevlar chest wig? Cool.
I can't recall the Murci's handbook data, but in the Gallardo's handbook Lamborghini go to great lengths to DEFINE kerb weight. So you're under no illusions that they understand the principal of accurate weights.
On the same scales, within 5 minutes, a friends Canoe.. sorry, TVR Cerbera 4.2... weighed 1160kgs with half a tank of fuel. This is about right for a Cerbera (and an 18 man canoe) and consistent with the manufacturer's claims.
"Larry" then ambles onto the scales and, with LESS fuel than the handbook says is included in their kerb weight figures and no driver (also included in their kerb weight), weighs 150kgs more than the book figure. Now a satnav and E-gear won't account for that.
Conclusion? Luigi an Giampaolo are having a bleedin' larf.
The Gallardo and Cerbera still have very simliar p/w ratios (around 330hp/ton) and, sure enough there's little to split them in a straight line to about 120mph, assuming the road is dry. The difference being that in the TVR (excuse me, guys) you feel the dashboard is attempting re-entry all on it's own and will you have any teeth left, and in the Gallardo you wonder why they put an ashtray in such a stupid place!
andysv said:
mikey did you have a run with the cerb? i'd always doubted the clarkson video that showed one leaving everything for dead. but it fascinated me anyway.
i only got a go in a tvr once with the 5ltr v8, i know the cerb is the ajp, but it just felt grunty not mind blowingly quick.
i only got a go in a tvr once with the 5ltr v8, i know the cerb is the ajp, but it just felt grunty not mind blowingly quick.
Oh yes indeedy. My mate's is fit as a fiddle and, theoretically a match for the Gallardo up to around 120-ish. After this, the G's grunt starts to make itself felt and the extra torque seems to get rid of the air more readily than the TVR's weaker engine.
The problem (wrong word but I've started so I'll finish) with TVR's isn't power, it's available grip. I'd also like much better brakes.
Although Phil James has demonstrated the error of my ways by proving to me that a Cerbera (5 litre 500hp in Phil's case) can be hustled about in the wet by a skilled driver, Phil's skills are fairly exceptional. His car is also a bit special and has been built and maintained "correctly".
what was that going on in that jezza vid? i remember him saying we didn't bring a lambo cos the aston (prototype) had blown it away previously.
as a lambo fan i remember that, then the cerb (4.5?) went on to demolish the lot at brunters big time.
it's a stupid thing but it always amazed me.
as a lambo fan i remember that, then the cerb (4.5?) went on to demolish the lot at brunters big time.
it's a stupid thing but it always amazed me.
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