Gallardo with Dark package
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ive been looking at a spyder also and was quoted about 6 months or 3 months for a coupe, a Audi is 3 months so it doesnt seem to be much of a waiting list.
I think lambo manchester and london have cars at 149 ish which seems about right, i specced a e-gear to about 155K.
i think a lot of "never eard of em" dealers jumped on the speculator bandwagon thinking the spyder would be a premium seller such as the 430 spyder, which shows a lack of understanding in my book between lambo and fezza buyers in this country. a lot of the cars got delivered into the autumn and they have been stuck with them eer since, the long waiting list doesnt seem to have materialised (a couple of foreign dealers have early empty delivery slots still available with no premiums) - so i just don't think they are going to earn their money.
What made me laugh more than anything was hudsons white spyder. it has been for sale at 132K and unsold for a left hooker, they have now put the price up to 136K!!!!
i would have been interested at 132 (since im in the market for a left hooker anyway) but hte cheapskates didnt even spec the 400 quid branding pack.
mind you, joe macari is just as bad. he wants 118.5K left hander a german audi dealer was selling a couple of weeks ago for about 106K fully preppred and tax paid.
those british number plates are so expensive....
I think lambo manchester and london have cars at 149 ish which seems about right, i specced a e-gear to about 155K.
i think a lot of "never eard of em" dealers jumped on the speculator bandwagon thinking the spyder would be a premium seller such as the 430 spyder, which shows a lack of understanding in my book between lambo and fezza buyers in this country. a lot of the cars got delivered into the autumn and they have been stuck with them eer since, the long waiting list doesnt seem to have materialised (a couple of foreign dealers have early empty delivery slots still available with no premiums) - so i just don't think they are going to earn their money.
What made me laugh more than anything was hudsons white spyder. it has been for sale at 132K and unsold for a left hooker, they have now put the price up to 136K!!!!
i would have been interested at 132 (since im in the market for a left hooker anyway) but hte cheapskates didnt even spec the 400 quid branding pack.
mind you, joe macari is just as bad. he wants 118.5K left hander a german audi dealer was selling a couple of weeks ago for about 106K fully preppred and tax paid.
those british number plates are so expensive....
yes i heard that as well, according to 05 stats the biggest market was America with about 1125 cars, UK with 325, Germany (dont know the number).
i dont think lack of a waiting list means they won't do their numbers, but i think maybe the smaller lambo market compared with ferrari means people are more used to just going in and ordering the car and getting it delivered 3-6 months later rather than waiting 3 years a la ferrari. The factory said its running near full capacity, and there is supposed to be a 2 year waiting list for the spyder in the USA but the RHD market is much smaller compared to LHD, so maybe the factory allocates build time for that?
but the amount of unsold demo and new reg cars tends to indicate the waiting list situation so i would say with 3 spyders sat at lambo dealers with near list prices people opt for the wait and their desired spec rather than a compromise and immediate delivery?
i dont think lack of a waiting list means they won't do their numbers, but i think maybe the smaller lambo market compared with ferrari means people are more used to just going in and ordering the car and getting it delivered 3-6 months later rather than waiting 3 years a la ferrari. The factory said its running near full capacity, and there is supposed to be a 2 year waiting list for the spyder in the USA but the RHD market is much smaller compared to LHD, so maybe the factory allocates build time for that?
but the amount of unsold demo and new reg cars tends to indicate the waiting list situation so i would say with 3 spyders sat at lambo dealers with near list prices people opt for the wait and their desired spec rather than a compromise and immediate delivery?
nopantshans said:
UK with 325.
Those figures are way off for '05. By a factor of about 3. The entire production for '05 was barely what you have for USA and UK.
I've got the figures somewhere but I really can't be bothered to dig 'em up. But trust me, sales in the UK were not that hign for '05. As VNEO says, '05s are actually quite rare. Not as rare as an Arrancio Diablo 6.0, but relatively rare.
yes the figure that was quoted may have been total gallardos in the UK - i read it in a press article somewhere. but in winkellmans article its stated as:
Of the 2,095 cars produced in 2006, it's perhaps unsurprising that 1,651 of these were Gallardos, 1,025 of which were Spyder models
and also
The US is the key market with 40 per cent of production heading across the Atlantic. Next up is Germany, followed by the UK, Italy and Japan.
so around 640 g's go to the states so i agree the 325 p.a for UK (3rd market) seems a bit of bean and the article i read it in probably misquoted the total as 325 lambos in the uk or 325 gallardos in the UK.
Of the 2,095 cars produced in 2006, it's perhaps unsurprising that 1,651 of these were Gallardos, 1,025 of which were Spyder models
and also
The US is the key market with 40 per cent of production heading across the Atlantic. Next up is Germany, followed by the UK, Italy and Japan.
so around 640 g's go to the states so i agree the 325 p.a for UK (3rd market) seems a bit of bean and the article i read it in probably misquoted the total as 325 lambos in the uk or 325 gallardos in the UK.
yes, it seems i have been reading duff information, the figures i originally posted from the article i read were for total gallardo production and not just for USA and were in fact sales figures for 06 spyders.
It was an american article and i presume the journalist didnt believe anyone bought cars outside the USA.
to my poor stastical gathering and believing lies and damn statistics.
0/10 for me.
must try harder
It was an american article and i presume the journalist didnt believe anyone bought cars outside the USA.
to my poor stastical gathering and believing lies and damn statistics. 0/10 for me.
must try harder
crikeymikey said:
nopantshans said:
UK with 325.
Those figures are way off for '05. By a factor of about 3. The entire production for '05 was barely what you have for USA and UK.
I've got the figures somewhere but I really can't be bothered to dig 'em up. But trust me, sales in the UK were not that hign for '05. As VNEO says, '05s are actually quite rare. Not as rare as an Arrancio Diablo 6.0, but relatively rare.
Don't mess with Mike. He knows his stuff !!!!
bund said:
So is it fair to say that from past history the Gall spyder is NOT going to hold its money anything like the F430 spyder?
Who knows - but I bet when JC turns up on Top Gear with his new one that a lot of the supply gets bought up quickly
(unless he starts slagging it off for some reason)
traxx said:
bund said:
So is it fair to say that from past history the Gall spyder is NOT going to hold its money anything like the F430 spyder?
Who knows - but I bet when JC turns up on Top Gear with his new one that a lot of the supply gets bought up quickly
(unless he starts slagging it off for some reason)
Even if that happens it will not change the fact that after 2 years used 430 spyders are still for sale for close to list prices(not saying that's where there selling). Gall spyders now seem available for list prices. In 2 years time i think they will not be even close to list prices.
bund said:
traxx said:
bund said:
So is it fair to say that from past history the Gall spyder is NOT going to hold its money anything like the F430 spyder?
Who knows - but I bet when JC turns up on Top Gear with his new one that a lot of the supply gets bought up quickly
(unless he starts slagging it off for some reason)
Even if that happens it will not change the fact that after 2 years used 430 spyders are still for sale for close to list prices(not saying that's where there selling). Gall spyders now seem available for list prices. In 2 years time i think they will not be even close to list prices.
I could say something very uncharitable about certain[b/] types of Fezza owner but, as I have a number friends who own Maranellos finest (and they are fine, make no mistake), let's just say that Ferrari could make wheely bins with a Prancing Horse logo on and it would sell at above list price.
Lamborghini is still something of an unknown quantity as far as residuals are concerned. As a car though, both the Murci and Gallardo are a match for anything from Maranello. Though both marques have their strengths and weaknesses, these are largely perceptions rather than dynamic shortfalls.
Ferrari suffers from overexposure, in my view. Not helped by some owners who deck themselves out in Ferrari marchandise from head to toe. I was in Tesco the other day and there was a guy standing in the checkout queue wearing a Ferrari cap. Now, unless his appearance was due to being marooned for 5 months on his own private Carribean island because his JetRanger had broken down, he did not own a Ferrari. Nor was he likely to in the near future.
Conversely, it's actually bloody rare to see Lambo owners wearing anything with a Raging Bull logo on it. Certainly, I can't bear to wear my Lamborghini Automobili cap. I mean, if you own one, why do you need to advertise the fact? I don't even use the Lambo key fob because the key already has a logo on it. Why have two?
Lamborghini has the opposite problem to Ferrari. They've been building solid cars, in hitherto unheard of numbers, for a few years. But it'll take a LONG time before that counts for anything to marketplace. Frankly.. suits me just fine.
Anyone going to the FOC Spring Ball on April 21st will be welcome to debate the subject with me as, yes... I will be there.
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