Webber whinges
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motor
The main problem at Williams last year was their driver selection.
The main problem at Williams last year was their driver selection.
furtive said:
Hmm, not sure that the drivers were the cause for all the mechanical failures they suffered.
I was just having a dig at him for his sour grapes.
And drivers make a big difference to what happens to a car. Some are really heavy on the machine and others more sympathetic.
The great Alan Prost, for instance, used less fuel and less tyres than his team-mates for a lap at the same laptime.
loneranger said:
furtive said:
Hmm, not sure that the drivers were the cause for all the mechanical failures they suffered.
I was just having a dig at him for his sour grapes.
And drivers make a big difference to what happens to a car. Some are really heavy on the machine and others more sympathetic.
The great Alan Prost, for instance, used less fuel and less tyres than his team-mates for a lap at the same laptime.
just thought of Mansell - heavier on his car over a complete lap than Prost even if Prost crashed half way round.loneranger said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motor
The main problem at Williams last year was their driver selection.
The main problem at Williams last year was their driver selection.
Williams must be desperate to higher Alexander Wurz as a F1 driver! But I must admit, I am amazed Williams, are still in F1, they have not archived mush for the last 10 years.
waynepixel said:
Williams must be desperate to higher Alexander Wurz as a F1 driver! But I must admit, I am amazed Williams, are still in F1, they have not archived mush for the last 10 years.
Wurz is a proven entity with experience of several top teams within him.
And by your logic Ferrari should have packed in somewhere around 1990.
frank williams' moaning about the customer teams rules which may come in place in 2008 has annoyed me the most, its time the sport moved on and if he doesnt like it he can go somewhere else but the fact is that just 20 cars on a track of high attrition with minimal overtaking does not make for a good spectacle!
mosely, whom i normally cannot stand, is in this instance correct in my opinion, if franks business model cannot adapt to F1 with customer teams then he neds to readdress it rather than complain.
F1 needs more cars on the grid, it was only 15 years ago when thursday pre-qualifying was as important to some as saturdays afternoon qualifying session was to others.....
mosely, whom i normally cannot stand, is in this instance correct in my opinion, if franks business model cannot adapt to F1 with customer teams then he neds to readdress it rather than complain.
F1 needs more cars on the grid, it was only 15 years ago when thursday pre-qualifying was as important to some as saturdays afternoon qualifying session was to others.....
loneranger said:
Webber whinges
I thought he was whinging because he was slower than Coulthard.
Leading times (February 12) - Barcelona:
1. Pedro de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes 1min 22.634secs 77 laps
2. Robert Kubica BMW Sauber-BMW 1min 22.635secs 60 laps
3. Fernando Alonso McLaren-Mercedes 1min 22.726secs 56 laps
4. Alex Wurz Williams-Toyota 1min 23.037secs 44 laps
5. Felipe Massa Ferrari-Ferrari 1min 23.077secs 29 laps
6. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari-Ferrari 1min 23.215secs 25 laps
7. Jarno Trulli Toyota-Toyota 1min 23.239secs 75 laps
8. Heikki Kovalainen Renault-Renault 1min 23.491secs 57 laps
9. Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1min 23.602secs 80 laps
10. Timo Glock BMW Sauber-BMW 1min 23.653secs 63 laps
11. Giancarlo Fisichella Renault-Renault 1min 23.896secs 81 laps
12. Franck Montagny Toyota-Toyota 1min 24.015secs 64 laps
13. Christian Klien Honda-Honda 1min 24.227secs 51 laps
14. David Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1min 24.291secs 81 laps
15. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1min 24.531secs 83 laps
16. Anthony Davidson Super Aguri-Honda 1min 24.574secs 68 laps
17. Rubens Barrichello Honda-Honda 1min 24.934secs 24 laps
18. Adrian Sutil Spyker-Ferrari 1min 25.581secs 83 laps
He was slower on that occasion but in the last issue of F1 it shows the pair of them testing over 3 or 4 days and Webber was faster every day. I think he is underrated, remember now well he did at monaco last year the place which tends to hide the shortcommings of the car and lets the quick ones show it.
Jim Campbell said:
He was slower on that occasion but in the last issue of F1 it shows the pair of them testing over 3 or 4 days and Webber was faster every day. I think he is underrated, remember now well he did at monaco last year the place which tends to hide the shortcommings of the car and lets the quick ones show it.
Personally I think esrly on he flattered to deceive and has now been found out. Not in the same league as Kimi and Alonso. Possibly not even in the same league as Button.
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I like Mark - he just needs to lighten up otherwise he'll have this whinger tag if he is not careful.
Clare
(Mrs GPD)
I like Mark - he just needs to lighten up otherwise he'll have this whinger tag if he is not careful.
Clare
(Mrs GPD)
10 Pence Short said:
waynepixel said:
Williams must be desperate to higher Alexander Wurz as a F1 driver! But I must admit, I am amazed Williams, are still in F1, they have not archived mush for the last 10 years.
Wurz is a proven entity with experience of several top teams within him.
And by your logic Ferrari should have packed in somewhere around 1990.
Maybe, but Ferrari are in a completely different league then Williams in term of history and finance. Let face it if Williams said they were pulling out of F1 next year, it would be all over in a couple of weeks. And as for Alexander Wurz, he is a good test driver, but competition driving, no thanks. I got a funny filling that Williams will be going the same direction as Jordan if they are not careful, or they will get brought out by a Blue Chip motor company.
pablo said:
frank williams' moaning about the customer teams rules which may come in place in 2008 has annoyed me the most, its time the sport moved on and if he doesnt like it he can go somewhere else but the fact is that just 20 cars on a track of high attrition with minimal overtaking does not make for a good spectacle!
mosely, whom i normally cannot stand, is in this instance correct in my opinion, if franks business model cannot adapt to F1 with customer teams then he neds to readdress it rather than complain.
F1 needs more cars on the grid, it was only 15 years ago when thursday pre-qualifying was as important to some as saturdays afternoon qualifying session was to others.....
mosely, whom i normally cannot stand, is in this instance correct in my opinion, if franks business model cannot adapt to F1 with customer teams then he neds to readdress it rather than complain.
F1 needs more cars on the grid, it was only 15 years ago when thursday pre-qualifying was as important to some as saturdays afternoon qualifying session was to others.....
The number of cars on the grid is irrelevant if they actually change positions during the race, and there is overtaking! Just because there are more cars will not make the racing better!
The issue is that if the rules say you have to build your own car then you should have to do that. Otherwise a team can save a fortune and be able to spend money on other aspects which will enable them to beat those who have obeyed the rules.
waynepixel said:
And as for Alexander Wurz, he is a good test driver, but competition driving, no thanks.
Monaco 1998 first full season in F1 driving for Benetton, Wurz was the first one to give Schumacher a bloody nose.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gvtn2EsmTA
He's a battler, just never had the chance or equipment after 1998 to do anything.
FourWheelDrift said:
waynepixel said:
And as for Alexander Wurz, he is a good test driver, but competition driving, no thanks.
Monaco 1998 first full season in F1 driving for Benetton, Wurz was the first one to give Schumacher a bloody nose.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gvtn2EsmTA
He's a battler, just never had the chance or equipment after 1998 to do anything.
I am pretty sure Michael got the better of him there, but yeah.
Jim Campbell said:
He was slower on that occasion but in the last issue of F1 it shows the pair of them testing over 3 or 4 days and Webber was faster every day. I think he is underrated, remember now well he did at monaco last year the place which tends to hide the shortcommings of the car and lets the quick ones show it.
Testing and qualifying are very different to the actual race - Webber seems to struggle in some racing situations as unfortunately does our very own JB.
Let's hope it look different this season - but don't bank on it...
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