The T*at on the Yellow R1
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After a wet track day at Mallory, cruising sensible rate back to Surrey mid afternoon.
Guy come past me (I'm in the outside lane) on the left way to close, then he is pulled over 10 mile further on as if waiting for RAC, then another 10 or so later ripps past again on my inside. Then after hitting M25 from M1 and sitting in traffice for 20 odd mile fine the TWAT is part of the collision taht is holding up the whole of the Bloody M-way (bike in one pice but lent against central reservation - bloke look fine standing next to it - 3 cop cars next to him and having close of the outside lane - no apparent other vehicles involved - ODD (at 6:30 on a bloody friday nite).
The DICK got what was coming to him.
Guy come past me (I'm in the outside lane) on the left way to close, then he is pulled over 10 mile further on as if waiting for RAC, then another 10 or so later ripps past again on my inside. Then after hitting M25 from M1 and sitting in traffice for 20 odd mile fine the TWAT is part of the collision taht is holding up the whole of the Bloody M-way (bike in one pice but lent against central reservation - bloke look fine standing next to it - 3 cop cars next to him and having close of the outside lane - no apparent other vehicles involved - ODD (at 6:30 on a bloody friday nite).
The DICK got what was coming to him.
if you read the thread - you can work it out that he was driving like a TW&T - he was asking for it - you really think I was hanging about when he came past me almost taking the paint off.
Trust me I love bikes - never watch F1 anymore MotoGP only thing I watch in real time now.
Trust me I love bikes - never watch F1 anymore MotoGP only thing I watch in real time now.
Edited by jellison on Monday 19th February 15:56
jellison said:
I so wanted to flick him the bird - but was too knackered - just wanted to sleep after hours and hours riding my fat clutch.
Should you have been driving? Were you startled by/unprepared for the undertake? due to perhaps not checking mirrors enough for faster traffic?
Peoples opinion varies but IMHO with a fast bike it's better to do the overtake very quickly and slow back down once clear and thus reduce the potential for lane drift caused by car/lorry driver inattention.
DAZ
(Just trying to point out two sides etc.)
jellison said:
if you read the thread - you can work it out that he was driving like a TW&T - he was asking for it - you really think I was hanging about when he came past me almost taking the paint off.
Trust me I love bikes - never watch F1 anymore MotoGP only thing I watch in real time now.
Trust me I love bikes - never watch F1 anymore MotoGP only thing I watch in real time now.
Edited by jellison on Monday 19th February 15:56
No you cant.
For all you know, he may have been tapped by someone else, he may have witnessed something, he may have had anything happen - all of which you have no idea of.
I suggest that you take a deep breath, tak a wander and consider whether there may slightly more important things to get pissy about.
dazren said:
jellison said:
I so wanted to flick him the bird - but was too knackered - just wanted to sleep after hours and hours riding my fat clutch.
Should you have been driving? Were you startled by/unprepared for the undertake? due to perhaps not checking mirrors enough for faster traffic?
Peoples opinion varies but IMHO with a fast bike it's better to do the overtake very quickly and slow back down once clear and thus reduce the potential for lane drift caused by car/lorry driver inattention.
DAZ
(Just trying to point out two sides etc.)
And it was 40 - 50 miles later. Must have snarled up a 10th of teh M25 in one direction, on a friday night.
Anyway.............
Pity about Hopper but I an sure he will be fine come the first race. Love to see Suzuki winning again or Kenny Jr.
No way to judge the truth of this without knowing all the facts from both sides. However, what you have really described is a biker riding fast and passing you on the left. But we only have one side of the story. Whenever someone tells me about some idiot passing them on the left, I usually wonder about the lane discipline of the person saying it. You've said he undertook twice, and that you weren't hanging about even though you were too knackered to flip the bird - not confidence inspiring TBH. If he was riding so fast and had a big off then it's very unlikely his bike would be in one piece. Maybe on that occasion he was correctly overtaking some myopic t
t who moved out and forced him into the central area? Who knows. But I don't see anything in your description that makes me totally confident that he was a tt that deserved a prang. As for him stopping for a while - call on his mobile ? Toilet break ? Why does that add weight to the "he's a tt" theory ?
As said above, there are two sides to every story. I wonder what the biker would say about the guy he had to undertake - twice ?
t who moved out and forced him into the central area? Who knows. But I don't see anything in your description that makes me totally confident that he was a tt that deserved a prang. As for him stopping for a while - call on his mobile ? Toilet break ? Why does that add weight to the "he's a tt" theory ? As said above, there are two sides to every story. I wonder what the biker would say about the guy he had to undertake - twice ?
Edited by yellowvette on Monday 19th February 17:25
You don't F*cking get it do you - no biker HAS to under take! If they choose to when a car is doing a good speed in the outside lane and all lane are pretty full then that make him the reckless one. So you expect the whole outside lane to be free for bikers now.
Can someone close this thread - JESUS!
Can someone close this thread - JESUS!
With all due respect Jon, you started this. There are always two sides and what did you honestly expect launching into a rant on the biker forum? No one has said anything unreasonable here, or had a go at you. Unless you saw the accident, how can you make any kind of reasoned judgement about the biker? Now just chill out mate.
Steve.
Steve.
jellison said:
You don't F*cking get it do you - no biker HAS to under take! If they choose to when a car is doing a good speed in the outside lane and all lane are pretty full then that make him the reckless one. So you expect the whole outside lane to be free for bikers now.
Can someone close this thread - JESUS!
Can someone close this thread - JESUS!
The ability to filter through traffic is one of the major attractions of bikes
The M1 was pretty full and at that point the lanes are not that wide - (30ish miles up from the M25), so not much gap to go through so pretty much on the white line but damn close to my front wing.
It may well have not been his fault later on just odd that in 4 times I say him, 2 he under took when the traffic was going at a good old rate with me in the outside lane, 1 standing by bike waiting for RAC - odd, then 10 min later undertaking again - then again casually standing by his bike with cops all around him and the outside lane of the M25 near Weybridge junction closed (no other car at the scene - excluding 3 cop cars), with 15+ mile tailback!
Most bikers - I would have had the first over take and then never seen the guy again - that is the odd thing......
It may well have not been his fault later on just odd that in 4 times I say him, 2 he under took when the traffic was going at a good old rate with me in the outside lane, 1 standing by bike waiting for RAC - odd, then 10 min later undertaking again - then again casually standing by his bike with cops all around him and the outside lane of the M25 near Weybridge junction closed (no other car at the scene - excluding 3 cop cars), with 15+ mile tailback!
Most bikers - I would have had the first over take and then never seen the guy again - that is the odd thing......
Here's a possible scenario:
Biker comes tearing past you close enough to annoy (maybe because you could have been in the middle lane and he wanted to piss you off or maybe just because he could see you weren't about to change lanes so it's semi-irrelevant) he then stops further up to wait for a friend in a car to catch up, then goes on his way again and gets knocked off by an old women who can't see.
It's quite conceivable, as are lots of other scenarios. As bikers tend to avoid trying to kill themselves (despite what some manouvres may look like!!) I think you're being a touch harsh blaming him for it.
Biker comes tearing past you close enough to annoy (maybe because you could have been in the middle lane and he wanted to piss you off or maybe just because he could see you weren't about to change lanes so it's semi-irrelevant) he then stops further up to wait for a friend in a car to catch up, then goes on his way again and gets knocked off by an old women who can't see.
It's quite conceivable, as are lots of other scenarios. As bikers tend to avoid trying to kill themselves (despite what some manouvres may look like!!) I think you're being a touch harsh blaming him for it.
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