Yorkshire Police - Tuesday eve
Discussion
Just a brief comment on the way they policed the speeding motorists outside the school. Getting the kids involved and only warning the drivers (with the aid of the school kids)seems to be a very effective, community-friendly way of policing. Improved Police/school relations, road-safety instruction for the kids and slowing the drivers down in an appropriate place - seems like a win-win. (Oh no it isn't, it cost money to implement)
Why was it a 40 limit past a school? I don't see why they can't have a short 20mph limit if there is a chance of kids trying to cross the road. Speed limits can be a usefull indication of a potential hazzard, but this is undermined when councils use them inappropriately with blanket limits stretching for miles on roads that could handle a more realistic speed. People start ignoring them if they percieve them to be an unnecesary hindrance.
I didn't see any school marking on the road though?
There was a parking bay down the road and it had 1 or 2 cars in it - would this not obscure the driver's view and hence should be removed.
Also the woman 'caught' at 48 still managed to stop when the copper jumped out - so she would probably have stopped when the child ran out - not that a copper or child should be taught to jump into the middle of the road though!
There was a parking bay down the road and it had 1 or 2 cars in it - would this not obscure the driver's view and hence should be removed.
Also the woman 'caught' at 48 still managed to stop when the copper jumped out - so she would probably have stopped when the child ran out - not that a copper or child should be taught to jump into the middle of the road though!
m-five said: I didn't see any school marking on the road though?
There was a parking bay down the road and it had 1 or 2 cars in it - would this not obscure the driver's view and hence should be removed.
Also the woman 'caught' at 48 still managed to stop when the copper jumped out - so she would probably have stopped when the child ran out - not that a copper or child should be taught to jump into the middle of the road though!
She barely stopped in time, and then in the middle of the carriageway, rather than pulling into the space that was available. She was clearly a total numpty, and as the bloke said , an accident waiting to happen. Which, sob story or not, should have got her removed from the car and forced to eat school dinners til she
AJLintern said: Why was it a 40 limit past a school? I don't see why they can't have a short 20mph limit if there is a chance of kids trying to cross the road. Speed limits can be a usefull indication of a potential hazzard, but this is undermined when councils use them inappropriately with blanket limits stretching for miles on roads that could handle a more realistic speed. People start ignoring them if they percieve them to be an unnecesary hindrance.
I agree - 20 mph or less if it's home time is adequate past a school - FFS it won't make much difference to your journey time!
mechsympathy said:
m-five said: I didn't see any school marking on the road though?
There was a parking bay down the road and it had 1 or 2 cars in it - would this not obscure the driver's view and hence should be removed.
Also the woman 'caught' at 48 still managed to stop when the copper jumped out - so she would probably have stopped when the child ran out - not that a copper or child should be taught to jump into the middle of the road though!
She barely stopped in time, and then in the middle of the carriageway, rather than pulling into the space that was available. She was clearly a total numpty, and as the bloke said , an accident waiting to happen. Which, sob story or not, should have got her removed from the car and forced to eat school dinners til she
Yes, I agree she 'barely stopped in time' but the point is she did stop in time. So if a child had run out she would not have hit it. Hence if she was doing 8mph less she would have not hit the child either.
If everyone is saying 30mph or 20mph should be the limit around schools because otherwise you cannot stop in time, then surely it is more about how far in front of you the child steps out, irrelevant of the speed.
If a child steps out from between parked cars 1m in front of you and you are doing 5mph, they may just bounce off, or they may get dragged under the vehicle and crushed!
How many parents are guilty of speeding around schools? I bet it's more than non-parents, as most non-parents wouldn't go near a school entrance at school start, lunch, or end times - I know I don't.
I agree with the principle of lower speed limits around schools and small residential streets where children are likely to be running in and out of cars, trees, etc., but if everyone was 100% in favour of stopping ALL deaths/injuries by motor vehicles outside schools then they should make the areas within a square mile car-free between 7:30-17:30 as that should cover all the times that children are likely to be coming and going.
Unfortunately parents would then complain that they have to walk their child to school! So they are obviously not that concerned about child welfare after all!
Thought it wasn't a bad method. However I'm not arguing that the method was correct as there was NO QUALIFIED and TRAINED USER of the unit, so you could literally tell them to stuff their unit where the sun doesn't shine, it would never stand up in court. HOWEVER good policing and getting results, instead of just a revenue scamera!
But did you notice on the bottom of the sheet that the kiddies gave the drivers was the usual scnumpty rant "Speed Kills"? instead of inappropriate speed kills!
>> Edited by JMGS4 on Wednesday 16th April 11:51
But did you notice on the bottom of the sheet that the kiddies gave the drivers was the usual scnumpty rant "Speed Kills"? instead of inappropriate speed kills!
>> Edited by JMGS4 on Wednesday 16th April 11:51
But did you notice on the bottom of the sheet that the kiddies gave the drivers was the usual scnumpty rant "Speed Kills"? instead of inappropriate speed kills!
>> Edited by JMGS4 on Wednesday 16th April 11:51
Yeah, and spent the next 10 minutes muttering naughty words under ma breath about it.
minimax said: I agree - 20 mph or less if it's home time is adequate past a school - FFS it won't make much difference to your journey time!
Statistics show that most accidents don't take place directly outside schools - they happen within a larger area as children make the journey to and from home.
So how far would the 20mph limit go? In many urban areas there are enough schools so that even if the distance was fairly short there'd be a blanket 20mph everywhere.
m-five said:
Also the woman 'caught' at 48 still managed to stop when the copper jumped out - so she would probably have stopped when the child ran out - not that a copper or child should be taught to jump into the middle of the road though!
Mmmm. I noticed that and then ranted quietly into my beer.
Notice that they always get their speeders, but a truck driver who we suspect crushes someones leg and admits to kicking in a French box on wheels gets off scott free.
And a bunch of Ford thevin' scroats who are caught are bailed and simply don't turn up at court......
Grrrrrrrrrr.....
I was most upset at the news, right at the end of the programme, that the lunatics who had been arrested after that mental Mondeo chase had absconded pre-court appearance and were now "on the run."
If ever death by accidental trunction through cranium was called for, that was it!
I think even the police were shocked by the antics of the pursuees during that one. Incredible. And actually quite frightening.
If ever death by accidental trunction through cranium was called for, that was it!
I think even the police were shocked by the antics of the pursuees during that one. Incredible. And actually quite frightening.
I wonder how many drivers went past under the speed limit but with defective tyres, no MOT, no insurance, drunk, on drugs et al.
Don't know where they dug the old hairdryer from. Haven't seen the police use these in South Yorks for years now. Guess it was easier for the kids to use than the pro-laser.
dreadnought
Don't know where they dug the old hairdryer from. Haven't seen the police use these in South Yorks for years now. Guess it was easier for the kids to use than the pro-laser.
dreadnought
dreadnought said: I wonder how many drivers went past under the speed limit but with defective tyres, no MOT, no insurance, drunk, on drugs et al.
Don't know where they dug the old hairdryer from. Haven't seen the police use these in South Yorks for years now. Guess it was easier for the kids to use than the pro-laser.
Imagine giving the laser gun to the kids...half the men walking past would be sterile by now, those things are deadly to your reproductivity if they hit you not the car
dreadnought
>> Edited by elms on Wednesday 16th April 18:40
what got me about that programe was the utter waste of money. The Mondeo chase had helicopter cars etc etc and yet they let them out to run off court!!!! Then the road rage with the lorry. They had the road closed for god knows how long, had several cars and police officers attending eventually took the lorry for inspection and managed to find the horn not working, inspected the video evidence took eyewitness ststements and then pressed no charges. I am no lawyer but the lorry driver admitted kicking the car door in so criminal damage? So all the effort and disruption for nothing no one to blame? And finally is that really the sort of behaviour for a police officer, the same one who was lecturing others on behaviour cutting off the guys tie. Criminal damage again, maybe, bad example particularly on tv to others definatly.
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