Track tyres.??

[Big 968 Dave]

Yes this will have been done to death, probably,,,

But
those of you that have tried them..
What are the Pirelli corsa track biased tyre like .???
Are they as good as the Michelin pilot CUP.??
Or the Dunlop D01J..??

I have used both the above + found the Dunlop to a better stickyer tyre than the Michelin.
I was just wondering what the Pirelli Zero Corsa was like...
Cheers...

[Agent Orange]

Simplistically, not a sticky as the MSC. Better all round with wet weather in mind , though a cut MSC is best , rare and of course hand cut not road legal

[stefan1]

The Corsa is excellent, in my experience. I've run them now for 2 seasons on my Mk2 GT3. The wear rating (ie, a measure of how soft the compound is) is actually slightly lower than MPSC (meaning technically it is slightly softer), but I would tend to agree that MPSC tend to give slightly higher ultimate grip.

The Corsa's advantage, for me, is its excellent level of feel at the limit; it is slightly less sudden to breakaway that the MPSC.

The Corsa does also fare slightly better in wet conditions.

Overall, it comes down to personal choice - but certainly you will not have a problem with the Corsa; it is a great tyre.

Kind regards

Steve

[Merritt]

stefan1 said:

The wear rating (ie, a measure of how soft the compound is) is actually slightly lower than MPSC (meaning technically it is slightly softer)

Steve -

Wear ratings cannot be compared across brands of tyres, only between tyres from the same manufacturer.

For what it is worth, I too use the Corsa Motorsport and find it very good indeed.

Steve

Edited by Merritt on Wednesday 21st February 10:31

[thegoose]

Merritt said:

Wear ratings cannot be compared across brands of tyres...

Eh?

Surely they can if no other factors change. I.e. same car, driver, use - there must be a difference in the wear and that is the basis for comparison isn't it?

[Merritt]

Apparently not! I am led to believe that the wear ratings are only specific to a manufacturer and are therefore useless for cross comparisons..

Steve

[thegoose]

Ah, maybe in terms of stats, but people's actual experiences will give comparisons as to wear rates for them/their use which may be of benefit to others if they have a similar combination of car/setup/use.

[Merritt]

thegoose said:

Ah, maybe in terms of stats, but people's actual experiences will give comparisons as to wear rates for them/their use which may be of benefit to others if they have a similar combination of car/setup/use.

Agreed but I thought we were talking about the wear ratings marked on the tyres??

[paulburrell]

Someone needs to mention the TOYO R888 on here as they are great tyres and every bit as good as both the Cups and the Corsas but at a much lower price. All 3 tryes come highly recommended but I would endorse the earlier comment that the Corsa's give me the most progressive feel when close to the limit. They slide nicely and inspire great confidence.


Just my 2 cents

[simply tyres]

Pirelli Corsa Race tyres are becoming difficult to source and in some sizes they are not made anymore according to contact at the big "Pirelli" ( tesco version of the tyre world ).It is worth trying the Toyo R888 from value and handling points and i am sure one would not be dissapointed.
There is a hugh number of 996,993 etc and noble which are running on these tyres and the feedback is fantastic from track use.

Also one must point out that they are quite noisey on the road but a small price to pay for such a top tyre...

If there something bald on your GT3...who your gonna call.......Simply Tyres
( sorry for the ghost busters theme tune )

[Don]

What's the wear life of the Toyo's like?

In road miles and track days...

For example: My Michelin Pilot Sport (not cup) road tyres last about 6000 road miles AND four track days.

Toyos would be... 3000 miles and two track days? (say) ?????

Anyone with experience?

[splatagain]

my R888s (GT3 Mkii) have now done 2 days at silverstone, 1 day at brands GP and two half days and they are still fine. At a guess i think they will manage one more whole (dry) day before i really need to start worrying. They are noisy, but are great.

[Don]

splatagain said:

my R888s (GT3 Mkii) have now done 2 days at silverstone, 1 day at brands GP and two half days and they are still fine. At a guess i think they will manage one more whole (dry) day before i really need to start worrying. They are noisy, but are great.

Now that's what I wanted to hear.

Do you drive them on-road much, too? Or just to and from the track?

[splatagain]

only too/from the track and round the track. Silverstone is 120 miles and brands is just round the corner, so probably 600 miles on the road + track driving.

[Don]

splatagain said:

only too/from the track and round the track. Silverstone is 120 miles and brands is just round the corner, so probably 600 miles on the road + track driving.

Might try a set for the summer. Then put the Proxes road tyres on or back to old favourite the Michelins next autumn...

[thegoose]

Toyos are great for grip. Drove a friend's 3.2 round Paul Ricard with them on and, whilst a different car to my Class 2 SC on it's PSCs, the grip seemed superb. From a cost perspective from that experience I would rather we were contracted to race on Toyo than the Michelins. I do know that he gets about 3 hours out of a set on track. I don't measure my use so carefully, but the PSC is probably better, but the grip and laps times go down when the tread gets low (converse to what you expect, but true all the same). I was amazed to see how low people were running the PSCs on a Magny Cours track day, but then on a track day it doesn't matter if you're a tenth or two slower when your tyres are worn, so for that type of use there's probably more of a difference in the life of each.

[rcarr]

These yokohamas were very good on my Fiesta race car, they had to be "road legal" tyres to run in the championship. I am sure you won't be cornering as hard I did in the race situations. The only draw back with them, after a few races the started "going off" quicker by lap 6 till the end of the race, the car was amusing to control to say the least!

www.yokohama.com.br/produtos/img/t/A032.jpg

[doctorpepper]

Dave,

I was at Silverstone with our friend Alex at the weekend in the "Widowmaker" and it runs on 888's it was the first time that Alex had driven on 888's on track and although mine are close to being completley fooked he thought they were an excellent tyre in the damp and later dry conditions.

Just to throw another one into the mix what are peoples thoughst on the Khumo Ecsta V70?

DP

[simply tyres]

doctorpepper said:

Dave,

I was at Silverstone with our friend Alex at the weekend in the "Widowmaker" and it runs on 888's it was the first time that Alex had driven on 888's on track and although mine are close to being completley fooked he thought they were an excellent tyre in the damp and later dry conditions.

Just to throw another one into the mix what are peoples thoughst on the Khumo Ecsta V70?

DP

Hi Dp
All I can tell you is that they go off very quickly and dont seem to last long at all,this is the only opion I have had from one client ( 996 RS ) who ran them,( switched to Toyo's on the same day ).Also I havent seen anybody else using them on track.
If somebody can shed more light on these tyres then I would gratefully accept it.

Steve

[steve rance]

Of all the tyres that i have experience of (pirelli, toyo, khumo, dunlop, Michellin) the MSC is the best tyre by a margin for consistency and outright pace. They go off quite late in a session and need only one slow lap and they come back in again, unlike other tyres that go off quite quickly by comparison and need cooling in the pits before another session can be started. They are also very predictable when they have gone off proving relatively safe for the in experienced driver, some other tyres have hair trigger qualities that can catch out a driver if he is less experienced. It is not just grip and wear rate that should be considered when buying a track tyre, consistancy during a sesion is vital, especially to an inexperienced driver. What is also critical - whatever tyre you are using - is to run the tyres at the correct hot working pressure. We find that the MSP works best at 2.1 bar hot front and rear, the corsa like slighty more rear pressure. Many inexperienced drivers will happily stay out in a session without bleeding the tyres off, complain of oversteer only to find that the rears have inflated to 3 bar during the session making the car dangerous to drive. If a driver asks me to drive his car, the first question i ask is 'have the tyres been bled off'. The answer is always yes, the reality is often 'NO'. It is essential that a driver gets his tyres up to working temperature/pressure and maintains it by regularly bleeding the tyres off during the track day.

Steve R