Very Wet Snetterton in a 996 Cup car
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Hi Guys, I Tested the cup car at snetterton on Tuesday and thought you may be interested in how the day went.
The weather was awful and it rained all day long. Parr had fitted 4 way adjustable JRZ suspension to the car and it was absolutely fantastic to drive. We ran a dry geo set up, adjusted the bars a little softer and trimmed the car on the shock absorbers. Standing water made the circuit very difficult to attack, the back straight is 6th gear in a cup car and there was lots of standing water. This combination must be one of the most effective laxatives know to man. Not fun and I wouldn't reccomend it
I just couldn't believe how beautifully the car was suspended. Obviously on a lap the car needed some correction but the damping control just inspired so much confidence. I have a lot of experience with the JRZ 2 way adjustable units, they are fantastic on the PARR GT3RS but the 4 way units take damping control to another level. A GT3 or GT3RS suspended on 4 way adjustable JRZ's really would be the ulimate track day GT3. I would reccommend any driver to spend his money here before looking at engine upgrades. Incredible. The Michelin wets gave fantastic grip and even in the very wet conditions the motec logger showed that the chasis generated 1.25G when fully loaded. They are not hellishly expensive and to the more serious track day drivers amongst you, they are well worth a look if your set up will accomodate them, they make a massive difference over a tyre such as a corsa and - providing you dont get them hot - will last ages.
I am learning that driving a cup car quickly requires a different technique to driving a road going GT3 in the first quarter of the corner. Almost oposite in fact. the ABS on the cup car is much less agressive and to be quick a driver needs to be hard on the brakes initially and then bleeds off at the end of the braking zone. In a road car a driver needs to bleed onto the brakes but does not bleed off. Amazing how 2 cars that share the same DNA are so fundamentally different to drive under braking.
Here's a short clip of the car through corham, into russell and down the pit straight. Turn up the volume, cup cars have a great sound
http://detailfinish.co.uk/Video/wet02
I'll keep you guys updated.
Steve R
The weather was awful and it rained all day long. Parr had fitted 4 way adjustable JRZ suspension to the car and it was absolutely fantastic to drive. We ran a dry geo set up, adjusted the bars a little softer and trimmed the car on the shock absorbers. Standing water made the circuit very difficult to attack, the back straight is 6th gear in a cup car and there was lots of standing water. This combination must be one of the most effective laxatives know to man. Not fun and I wouldn't reccomend it
I just couldn't believe how beautifully the car was suspended. Obviously on a lap the car needed some correction but the damping control just inspired so much confidence. I have a lot of experience with the JRZ 2 way adjustable units, they are fantastic on the PARR GT3RS but the 4 way units take damping control to another level. A GT3 or GT3RS suspended on 4 way adjustable JRZ's really would be the ulimate track day GT3. I would reccommend any driver to spend his money here before looking at engine upgrades. Incredible. The Michelin wets gave fantastic grip and even in the very wet conditions the motec logger showed that the chasis generated 1.25G when fully loaded. They are not hellishly expensive and to the more serious track day drivers amongst you, they are well worth a look if your set up will accomodate them, they make a massive difference over a tyre such as a corsa and - providing you dont get them hot - will last ages.
I am learning that driving a cup car quickly requires a different technique to driving a road going GT3 in the first quarter of the corner. Almost oposite in fact. the ABS on the cup car is much less agressive and to be quick a driver needs to be hard on the brakes initially and then bleeds off at the end of the braking zone. In a road car a driver needs to bleed onto the brakes but does not bleed off. Amazing how 2 cars that share the same DNA are so fundamentally different to drive under braking.
Here's a short clip of the car through corham, into russell and down the pit straight. Turn up the volume, cup cars have a great sound
http://detailfinish.co.uk/Video/wet02
I'll keep you guys updated.
Steve R
RedRSR said:
Steve, if you had to pick a trackday only car would you pick GT3 or Cup?
Oh blimey! If It was a good cup car, I had the resources to run it and practicality was not an issue, i'd go for the cup car. You can't run one like a road car though, they are much higher maintanance. Tyres are about £850 plus vat for a set but they would be shot after a day if you are pushing on, but as a pure track tool they are awsome
Steve
steve rance said:
I am learning that driving a cup car quickly requires a different technique to driving a road going GT3 in the first quarter of the corner. Almost oposite in fact. the ABS on the cup car is much less agressive and to be quick a driver needs to be hard on the brakes initially and then bleeds off at the end of the braking zone. In a road car a driver needs to bleed onto the brakes but does not bleed off. Amazing how 2 cars that share the same DNA are so fundamentally different to drive under braking.
Steve R
Hi Steve - you appear to be saying that in a road GT3 you come off the brakes abruptley??
Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 1st March 14:18
RedRSR said:
Steve, its just I'm thinking about changing the RSR for a 996 cup, is the driving style a lot different and are they still as rewarding?
You will find the cup car as rewarding but far less forgiving but can soften the set up and gradually make it sharper as you get quicker. You will find the power and sheer grip and stiffness of the chasis initially quite intimidating but a more logical step from the RSR than perhaps a GT3RS.
Steve
Pugsey said:
steve rance said:
I am learning that driving a cup car quickly requires a different technique to driving a road going GT3 in the first quarter of the corner. Almost oposite in fact. the ABS on the cup car is much less agressive and to be quick a driver needs to be hard on the brakes initially and then bleeds off at the end of the braking zone. In a road car a driver needs to bleed onto the brakes but does not bleed off. Amazing how 2 cars that share the same DNA are so fundamentally different to drive under braking.
Steve R
Hi Steve - you appear to be saying that in a road GT3 you come off the brakes abruptley??
Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 1st March 14:18
Sometimes, if you need to get the weight back over the rear tyres.
Steve
steve rance said:
Pugsey said:
steve rance said:
I am learning that driving a cup car quickly requires a different technique to driving a road going GT3 in the first quarter of the corner. Almost oposite in fact. the ABS on the cup car is much less agressive and to be quick a driver needs to be hard on the brakes initially and then bleeds off at the end of the braking zone. In a road car a driver needs to bleed onto the brakes but does not bleed off. Amazing how 2 cars that share the same DNA are so fundamentally different to drive under braking.
Steve R
Hi Steve - you appear to be saying that in a road GT3 you come off the brakes abruptley??
Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 1st March 14:18
Sometimes, if you need to get the weight back over the rear tyres.
Steve
RedRSR said:
clubsport said:
RedRSR said:
Thanks Steve, now a bit closer to making my mind up, just need to find a 04 straight car!
Paul, I wonder what you will be thinking after Oulton on the 16th
Thats why I said "a bit closer", if the right car comes up then I'll change!
You thinking of racing?
steve rance said:
RedRSR said:
clubsport said:
RedRSR said:
Thanks Steve, now a bit closer to making my mind up, just need to find a 04 straight car!
Paul, I wonder what you will be thinking after Oulton on the 16th
Thats why I said "a bit closer", if the right car comes up then I'll change!
You thinking of racing?
Yes, its about time I had another go (before I'm past it)
RedRSR said:
steve rance said:
RedRSR said:
clubsport said:
RedRSR said:
Thanks Steve, now a bit closer to making my mind up, just need to find a 04 straight car!
Paul, I wonder what you will be thinking after Oulton on the 16th
Thats why I said "a bit closer", if the right car comes up then I'll change!
You thinking of racing?
Yes, its about time I had another go (before I'm past it)
Great
Why don't you register for the open? There are quite a few cup cars entering this year. should be fun
Steve
steve rance said:
Why don't you register for the open? There are quite a few cup cars entering this year. should be fun
Steve
Thats what I'm thinking about, thats why I need a 04 car (although there are a few 997cup cars about!)
When you say the 996cup is less forgiving, would that be against a std RScs, mine has cup suspension with 900/1200kg springs?
RedRSR said:
Thanks Steve, now a bit closer to making my mind up, just need to find a 04 straight car!
I wouldn`t worry too much about buying a 2004 car. The problem is you`re going to spend a fortune when in reality all the 996 cup car are, or rather will be selling for the same money with prices being determined by each one`s relative merit.
It isn`t like buying a road cars, race cars are more like Trigger`s broom.
Henry
Henry-F said:
RedRSR said:
Thanks Steve, now a bit closer to making my mind up, just need to find a 04 straight car!
I wouldn`t worry too much about buying a 2004 car. The problem is you`re going to spend a fortune when in reality all the 996 cup car are, or rather will be selling for the same money with prices being determined by each one`s relative merit.
It isn`t like buying a road cars, race cars are more like Trigger`s broom.
Henry
Henry, I'm more concerned about tarted up serious damage than price, I've had a word with mad Morris and he says he knows/can find out about the history on most cars on the uk circuits, he did say avoid yours (hes driven it
)Steve , Henry et al!!
Sorry 'bout the teensy thread hijack , but is there any chance you could organise to post a calender of events you guys are attending during the season?
It might be a nice idea for the Porsche forum resident p1ssheads to fit in a round of 'cup' between further rounds of 'pints' at some stage.
We might even buy you lot a beaker or two after the event.
Sorry 'bout the teensy thread hijack , but is there any chance you could organise to post a calender of events you guys are attending during the season?
It might be a nice idea for the Porsche forum resident p1ssheads to fit in a round of 'cup' between further rounds of 'pints' at some stage.
We might even buy you lot a beaker or two after the event.
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