High Definition doesn't look any different to Standard Defin
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(High Definition doesn't look any different to Standard Definition in Xbox 360 gaming)
I've got myself an XBOX 360 premium with Smackdown vs Raw 2007, Gears of War, and PGR3. GoW looks and plays great (probably the best game of the 3), but PGR3 looks underwhelming when I was playing it.
The AV cable is set to HDTV and in the Xbox Dashboard, I set the TV to 760i/760p (can't remember which it is exactly). It was on 480i/480p originally, but the graphics don't seem any better with High Definition. I don't see any improved contrast or brightness or anything. It's not like the in-game screenshots I see other people post on forums, even with similar TVs. It's a real shame because a few months ago (and I just got my Xbox today), my family got a new TV and if I knew I would get a HDTV, I would have thought about the resolution etc as a consideration for console gaming.
Seems like I need some schooling on High Definition and gaming.
www.panasonic.co.uk/plasma-tv/th42px600cab/index.htm this seems to be the TV I am playing on (I don't remember the long model name from when it was purchased, lol).
I've got myself an XBOX 360 premium with Smackdown vs Raw 2007, Gears of War, and PGR3. GoW looks and plays great (probably the best game of the 3), but PGR3 looks underwhelming when I was playing it.
The AV cable is set to HDTV and in the Xbox Dashboard, I set the TV to 760i/760p (can't remember which it is exactly). It was on 480i/480p originally, but the graphics don't seem any better with High Definition. I don't see any improved contrast or brightness or anything. It's not like the in-game screenshots I see other people post on forums, even with similar TVs. It's a real shame because a few months ago (and I just got my Xbox today), my family got a new TV and if I knew I would get a HDTV, I would have thought about the resolution etc as a consideration for console gaming.
Seems like I need some schooling on High Definition and gaming.
www.panasonic.co.uk/plasma-tv/th42px600cab/index.htm this seems to be the TV I am playing on (I don't remember the long model name from when it was purchased, lol).
Edited by z064life on Friday 16th March 12:47
Im playing it on a 47" Full HD 1080p set, I couldn't see the difference between 720p and 1080p.
BUT...
Thats because most of the games are made at 720p, so its just being upscaled, nothing else.
You CAN see a huge difference when it comes to movies.
Im sure there is a difference between 480, and 720 - but maybe your tv is overriding it to 720 ?
BUT...
Thats because most of the games are made at 720p, so its just being upscaled, nothing else.
You CAN see a huge difference when it comes to movies.
Im sure there is a difference between 480, and 720 - but maybe your tv is overriding it to 720 ?
Well I was chatting to my mate and he said he connected ALL da connectors on the HD AV cable into the back of his TV! It said that the yellow one has to be left out but even stranger is the fact that there is no designated port for the yellow connector on the back of the TV! So it's not being left out, by choice, so there is no point in saying leave it out. This makes me think my TV is wierd. :S
The HD AV cable is also set to HD.
Also, in console settings > display > there is the option to set the screen format (or something) and the HD resolution (760p etc). I can change the option for whether I have selected 760p, 1080i, etc (this is what appears), but the other option cannot be changed but it says if your TV is HD this can be adjusted.
So I don't know what else there is for me to do.
The HD AV cable is also set to HD.
Also, in console settings > display > there is the option to set the screen format (or something) and the HD resolution (760p etc). I can change the option for whether I have selected 760p, 1080i, etc (this is what appears), but the other option cannot be changed but it says if your TV is HD this can be adjusted.
So I don't know what else there is for me to do.
Edited by z064life on Saturday 17th March 00:58
z064life said:
www.panasonic.co.uk/plasma-tv/th42px600cab/index.htm this seems to be the TV I am playing on
That's where you're going wrong.
Plasmas don't show true HD since they curtail the horizontal resolution.
HD is 1280x720 - LCDs upscale this to fit their 1366x768 pixel resolution. Plasmas below the current Pioneer/Panny 50" are only 1024x768 (Fujitsu 1024x1024 interlaced).
The Xbox doesn't output 1080p - this is movies on HD-DVD or BlueRay. Games are 720p and 1080i, which equates to vertical resolution of about 800 once deinterlacing is done.
z064life said:
Well I was chatting to my mate and he said he connected ALL da connectors on the HD AV cable into the back of his TV! It said that the yellow one has to be left out but even stranger is the fact that there is no designated port for the yellow connector on the back of the TV! So it's not being left out, by choice, so there is no point in saying leave it out. This makes me think my TV is wierd. :S
The HD AV cable is also set to HD.
So I don't know what else there is for me to do.
The HD AV cable is also set to HD.
So I don't know what else there is for me to do.
The Yellow cable is Composite (Standard Def) and to be used with the R&W for audio. The switch on the connector (360 end) has to be slid over to TV for that to work.
At this point, you're viewing SD which is 480i (NTSC) and 540i (PAL) you can have 480p/540p if you use the Component outputs (RGB) and set it accordingly in Dashboard.
For HD, you need to slide the switch over to HD and select 720p or 1080i in Dashboard.
Just a thought, you do have the Premium 360 and not the Core? If you do have only the Core, did you buy a separate HD Component cable or VGA one?
What can I say - Plasmas are crap for HD since they don't conform to the standard required for HD to be fully implemented.
Better than LCD when SD is upscaled, but the resolution is still not 16:9 aspect - it's the rectangular pixels that create that.
You need 1366x768, which only the new 50" models from Pioneer and Panasonic have introduced in recent months are capable of doing.
As much as the Pioneer 42" is sweet for the money, I wasn't happy with the image of the movie I brought along to view it with.
No amount of changing aspect options on the remote looked right.
I'd have the 50" in a heartbeat if I could justify spending £2K, but just over half that buys a 46" LCD with 1920x1080 resolution (Sharp XD1E) with the benefit of 1:1 mapping for HD-DVD & BR movies down the line.
If there's no chance of you changing up to one of these or even an LCD display, then I'm afraid you're stuck with what you've have.
You might try the VGA cable option to see if that does anything, but I doubt it in all honesty.
Better than LCD when SD is upscaled, but the resolution is still not 16:9 aspect - it's the rectangular pixels that create that.
You need 1366x768, which only the new 50" models from Pioneer and Panasonic have introduced in recent months are capable of doing.
As much as the Pioneer 42" is sweet for the money, I wasn't happy with the image of the movie I brought along to view it with.
No amount of changing aspect options on the remote looked right.
I'd have the 50" in a heartbeat if I could justify spending £2K, but just over half that buys a 46" LCD with 1920x1080 resolution (Sharp XD1E) with the benefit of 1:1 mapping for HD-DVD & BR movies down the line.
If there's no chance of you changing up to one of these or even an LCD display, then I'm afraid you're stuck with what you've have.
You might try the VGA cable option to see if that does anything, but I doubt it in all honesty.
In that case, my last port of call is to play the Xbox with the AV connector set to TV (I've never tried this), and see if this looks any worse. If it does look any worse, than I know that the games work in HD, but HD is just underwhelming. If in TV it looks EXACTLY the same then I know there is something wrong.
However, I do need a new TV - one for my room, as my parents prefer the console to be in my room and not in the living room because of the wires (there are only two wires though - less than the Hi-Fi, TV, etc), so I'm looking for a HDTV that isn't too expensive. But it has to be LCD I guess and great for Xbox 360 gaming. Budget £7-800 (I assume). Any recommendations?
However, I do need a new TV - one for my room, as my parents prefer the console to be in my room and not in the living room because of the wires (there are only two wires though - less than the Hi-Fi, TV, etc), so I'm looking for a HDTV that isn't too expensive. But it has to be LCD I guess and great for Xbox 360 gaming. Budget £7-800 (I assume). Any recommendations?
32". I don't think it's a size I am limited to, but a budget. I haven't yet spoken about this with my parents but probably £700 so I'll stick with that budget.
Also, the LCD TV upstairs has room for all AV HD cables to be inserted into (like my mate did), so I will try the console upstairs tomorrow.
Also, the LCD TV upstairs has room for all AV HD cables to be inserted into (like my mate did), so I will try the console upstairs tomorrow.
26" - www.pricerunner.co.uk/sound-and-vision/vision/tv/350696/prices
32" - www.pricerunner.co.uk/sound-and-vision/vision/tv/897394/prices
I'm just thinking after re-reading a few of the posts again, you might have one of the pre HD Ready Plasmas - your resolution may be 852x640 or something along those lines.
In that case, any HD signal being fed is downconverted to SD (since SD is 540 with PAL/480 for NTSC).
So, switching the switch on the cable probably won't do anything.
32" - www.pricerunner.co.uk/sound-and-vision/vision/tv/897394/prices
I'm just thinking after re-reading a few of the posts again, you might have one of the pre HD Ready Plasmas - your resolution may be 852x640 or something along those lines.
In that case, any HD signal being fed is downconverted to SD (since SD is 540 with PAL/480 for NTSC).
So, switching the switch on the cable probably won't do anything.
Edited by PJ S on Sunday 18th March 01:30
PJ S said:
What can I say - Plasmas are crap for HD since they don't conform to the standard required for HD to be fully implemented.
Better than LCD when SD is upscaled, but the resolution is still not 16:9 aspect - it's the rectangular pixels that create that.
You need 1366x768, which only the new 50" models from Pioneer and Panasonic have introduced in recent months are capable of doing.
Better than LCD when SD is upscaled, but the resolution is still not 16:9 aspect - it's the rectangular pixels that create that.
You need 1366x768, which only the new 50" models from Pioneer and Panasonic have introduced in recent months are capable of doing.
Nonsense. We've got a 50" Maxent that we've had for 18 months that does 1366x768.
RobPhoboS said:
PJ S said:
The Xbox doesn't output 1080p
Yes it does.
My one is set to 1080p
It doesn't have an HDMI out though. Of the few 1080p sets that are available some of them only accept 1080p through HDMI.
In any case it is merely upscaling the image. The games are encoded in 720p.
Edited by JagLover on Sunday 18th March 08:13
RobPhoboS said:
PJ S said:
The Xbox doesn't output 1080p
Yes it does.
My one is set to 1080p
Must be a patch that I was unaware of, unless it's attached to the HD-DVD drive and recognises it as such.
It's only movies that'll benefit from it as (as stated above) games are practically always 720p for frame rate. 1080i doesn't pull that much more detail out since it's effectively between 720 and 800 lines of resolution once deinterlaced.
And 1080p is the preserve of HDMI due to HDCP handshaking requirements, which an analog output can't do.
*Edit: Seems after reading about the HD-DVD add-on that 1080p over Component is indeed the method of delivery. I thought the MPAA decreed only via digital was 1080p allowed, in a bid to prevent piracy?
Edited by PJ S on Sunday 18th March 15:05
Dr JonboyG said:
PJ S said:
What can I say - Plasmas are crap for HD since they don't conform to the standard required for HD to be fully implemented.
Better than LCD when SD is upscaled, but the resolution is still not 16:9 aspect - it's the rectangular pixels that create that.
You need 1366x768, which only the new 50" models from Pioneer and Panasonic have introduced in recent months are capable of doing.
Better than LCD when SD is upscaled, but the resolution is still not 16:9 aspect - it's the rectangular pixels that create that.
You need 1366x768, which only the new 50" models from Pioneer and Panasonic have introduced in recent months are capable of doing.
Nonsense. We've got a 50" Maxent that we've had for 18 months that does 1366x768.
Maxent?
Never heard of them - so forgive me for thinking it was only the more recent generation of 50" that were proper HD pixel wise.
Haven't spent too much time researching Plasmas as I've always been an LCD person.
PJ S said:
Dr JonboyG said:
PJ S said:
What can I say - Plasmas are crap for HD since they don't conform to the standard required for HD to be fully implemented.
Better than LCD when SD is upscaled, but the resolution is still not 16:9 aspect - it's the rectangular pixels that create that.
You need 1366x768, which only the new 50" models from Pioneer and Panasonic have introduced in recent months are capable of doing.
Better than LCD when SD is upscaled, but the resolution is still not 16:9 aspect - it's the rectangular pixels that create that.
You need 1366x768, which only the new 50" models from Pioneer and Panasonic have introduced in recent months are capable of doing.
Nonsense. We've got a 50" Maxent that we've had for 18 months that does 1366x768.
Maxent?
Never heard of them - so forgive me for thinking it was only the more recent generation of 50" that were proper HD pixel wise.
Haven't spent too much time researching Plasmas as I've always been an LCD person.
It uses 7th gen Panasonic glass, so 1366 x 768 is not that recent. But my wife informs me that it's only 50" and above that do that resolution properly. I guess the OP needs a bigger TV
Dr JonboyG said:
PJ S said:
Maxent?
Never heard of them - so forgive me for thinking it was only the more recent generation of 50" that were proper HD pixel wise.
Haven't spent too much time researching Plasmas as I've always been an LCD person.
Never heard of them - so forgive me for thinking it was only the more recent generation of 50" that were proper HD pixel wise.
Haven't spent too much time researching Plasmas as I've always been an LCD person.
It uses 7th gen Panasonic glass, so 1366 x 768 is not that recent. But my wife informs me that it's only 50" and above that do that resolution properly. I guess the OP needs a bigger TV
I see the 6th gen Pios had proper HD resolution at 50". Not found any info on the 5th gen ones to see if they were 1366 or 1280, or 1024 like the 43".
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