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Which way round should I be doing this? Does it vary fom car to car?
I watched the Yellowbird being thraped round the ring and the driver was pressing brake with his toe and blipping the throttle with his heel - trying this in mine means I had to almost turn to dive on my left hip to do it - is this right??
I watched the Yellowbird being thraped round the ring and the driver was pressing brake with his toe and blipping the throttle with his heel - trying this in mine means I had to almost turn to dive on my left hip to do it - is this right??
chumley-warner said:
Which way round should I be doing this? Does it vary fom car to car?
I watched the Yellowbird being thraped round the ring and the driver was pressing brake with his toe and blipping the throttle with his heel - trying this in mine means I had to almost turn to dive on my left hip to do it - is this right??
Hello Chumley, I watched the Yellowbird being thraped round the ring and the driver was pressing brake with his toe and blipping the throttle with his heel - trying this in mine means I had to almost turn to dive on my left hip to do it - is this right??
Yes and No.
I'm not very good at it, but it's easiest in the 930 for me because the pedal is low on the floor and set in the right place.
Sounds like you need to reposition your foot a bit, try out various places on the driveway I guess..
I've been practicing this (and I think getting quite competent at it) over the last 9-12 months in my 968. My accelerator is set lower than the brake when neither are pressed, which means when I apply the brake, the accelerator pedal is then at a similar height. I then use my toes and left side of my foot to apply the brake, and the right edge of my foot to blip the throttle. With practice you get to be able to blip the throttle about the right amount and then with a bit more practice to lift the clutch at the right point for a smooth down change. THEN you need a bit more practice still to get all this so you can make it happen at the right point as you approach the corner, to make it actually faster than just down-shifting, braking and turning-in would be.
In reality, me "heal" is doing very little. I find it easier to do all the work with the top 2/3 of my foot - which I think is quite common.
It's very rewarding when you get competent at it though. Even more so when your first petrolhead passenger realises what you are doing.
In reality, me "heal" is doing very little. I find it easier to do all the work with the top 2/3 of my foot - which I think is quite common.
It's very rewarding when you get competent at it though. Even more so when your first petrolhead passenger realises what you are doing.
Edited by willdew on Friday 16th March 22:44
willdew said:
I've been practicing this (and I think getting quite competent at it) over the last 9-12 months in my 968. My accelerator is set lower than the brake when neither are pressed, which means when I apply the brake, the accelerator pedal is then at a similar height. I then use my toes and left side of my foot to apply the brake, and the right edge of my foot to blip the throttle. With practice you get to be able to blip the throttle about the right amount and then with a bit more practice to lift the clutch at the right point for a smooth down change. THEN you need a bit more practice still to get all this so you can make it happen at the right point as you approach the corner, to make it actually faster than just down-shifting, braking and turning-in would be.
In reality, me "heal" is doing very little. I find it easier to do all the work with the top 2/3 of my foot - which I think is quite common.
It's very rewarding when you get competent at it though. Even more so when your first petrolhead passenger realises what you are doing.
In reality, me "heal" is doing very little. I find it easier to do all the work with the top 2/3 of my foot - which I think is quite common.
It's very rewarding when you get competent at it though. Even more so when your first petrolhead passenger realises what you are doing.
Edited by willdew on Friday 16th March 22:44
Please don't take this the wrong way, but..........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel
slippydiff said:
Please don't take this the wrong way, but..........
I understand, but personally find it difficult to twist my ankle and hip as necessary in my bucket seats. I did a driver training course with Andy Walsh (aka Car Limits) and discussed this with him, and he said he does the same, and in reality there's a lot of different ways of achieving the same result and different people and different cars will find a way to suit themselves.
He brakes with his left foot, whilst still in the throttle with his right, then moves the toes from his right foot across to share the brake with his left foot, so he can move his left foot onto the clutch and THEN "heal and toe". Apparently this is a uncommon way to do it and the only other driver he knows of that does the same is Micheal Schumacher. Andy made it to Benetton F1 test driver, so whilst the above might sound complicated, unnecessary and cumbersome, it worked (works) for him.
I went out with him in his Elise on North Weald aerodrome and he showed me how he did it and it was truly amazing. The skill of being able to do so many things at once and skip across the pedals whist the car's doing sideways at 60 degrees to the direction of travel was stunning.
Anyway - the outcome is, I can achieve the desired results.
willdew said:
slippydiff said:
Please don't take this the wrong way, but..........
I understand, but personally find it difficult to twist my ankle and hip as necessary in my bucket seats. I did a driver training course with Andy Walsh (aka Car Limits) and discussed this with him, and he said he does the same, and in reality there's a lot of different ways of achieving the same result and different people and different cars will find a way to suit themselves.
He brakes with his left foot, whilst still in the throttle with his right, then moves the toes from his right foot across to share the brake with his left foot, so he can move his left foot onto the clutch and THEN "heal and toe". Apparently this is a uncommon way to do it and the only other driver he knows of that does the same is Micheal Schumacher. Andy made it to Benetton F1 test driver, so whilst the above might sound complicated, unnecessary and cumbersome, it worked (works) for him.
I went out with him in his Elise on North Weald aerodrome and he showed me how he did it and it was truly amazing. The skill of being able to do so many things at once and skip across the pedals whist the car's doing sideways at 60 degrees to the direction of travel was stunning.
Anyway - the outcome is, I can achieve the desired results.
Will, I wasn't having a pop at your H & T technique, rather a tongue in cheek dig at your spelling !!
willdew said:
I've been practicing this (and I think getting quite competent at it) over the last 9-12 months in my 968. My accelerator is set lower than the brake when neither are pressed, which means when I apply the brake, the accelerator pedal is then at a similar height. I then use my toes and left side of my foot to apply the brake, and the right edge of my foot to blip the throttle. With practice you get to be able to blip the throttle about the right amount and then with a bit more practice to lift the clutch at the right point for a smooth down change. THEN you need a bit more practice still to get all this so you can make it happen at the right point as you approach the corner, to make it actually faster than just down-shifting, braking and turning-in would be.
In reality, me "heal" is doing very little. I find it easier to do all the work with the top 2/3 of my foot - which I think is quite common.
It's very rewarding when you get competent at it though. Even more so when your first petrolhead passenger realises what you are doing.
In reality, me "heal" is doing very little. I find it easier to do all the work with the top 2/3 of my foot - which I think is quite common.
It's very rewarding when you get competent at it though. Even more so when your first petrolhead passenger realises what you are doing.
This is what I do, too. I believe it's referred to as 'rolling' your foot - don't quote me on that, though. The conventional technique involving the heel gives me a pain in my arse (literally) and provided the pedals are in the right place, you get more leverage at the top of the accelerator than at the bottom antway - so I figure it probably allows finer modulation.
slippydiff said:
Will, I wasn't having a pop at your H & T technique, rather a tongue in cheek dig at your spelling !!
Ahhhhhh. Sorry - thought you were being massively patronising by pointing out the word "heal/heel" in the name and expining what part of the foot that was.
I'll pay more attention next time.
Edited by willdew on Saturday 17th March 09:24
slippydiff said:
This is perhaps how it should be, but my accelerator hinges about the base, not the top (I think) which means if I do as per this picture, I'm pressing on the hinge with either no movement, or a lot of movement - making it uncontrollable. To press the top or even middle of the accelerator - as mentioned by others - I have to almost get out of the seat to turn my ankle over - at least I'm trying to use the toe on the right pedal though
It's a start. chumley-warner said:
To press the top or even middle of the accelerator - as mentioned by others - I have to almost get out of the seat to turn my ankle over - at least I'm trying to use the toe on the right pedal though It's a start.
I must have my foot simply higher up on the pedals then, so my heel meets the loud pedal about 1/3 to 1/2 of the way up. It's a start.Careful out there when practicing that you don't press the wrong pedal at the wrong time
I drive autos with two feet (left = brake, right = loud) which works well, I guess the schumacher method just requires changing pedals at exactly the right time!!
Globulator said:
I must have my foot simply higher up on the pedals then, so my heel meets the loud pedal about 1/3 to 1/2 of the way up.
Careful out there when practicing that you don't press the wrong pedal at the wrong time
I drive autos with two feet (left = brake, right = loud) which works well, I guess the schumacher method just requires changing pedals at exactly the right time!!
Careful out there when practicing that you don't press the wrong pedal at the wrong time
I drive autos with two feet (left = brake, right = loud) which works well, I guess the schumacher method just requires changing pedals at exactly the right time!!
Think it depend how big your plated of meat are. My size 12's mean my foot covers the whole pedal, and my toes are within an inch of the top of the footroom. So putting my heel anywhere other than the bottom edge would not be possible. I suspect others may be similar.
willdew said:
slippydiff said:
Will, I wasn't having a pop at your H & T technique, rather a tongue in cheek dig at your spelling !!
Ahhhhhh. Sorry - thought you were being massively patronising by pointing out the word "heal/heel" in the name and expining what part of the foot that was.
I'll pay more attention next time.
Edited by willdew on Saturday 17th March 09:24
As Globulator said (and it maybe somewhat awkward with your size 12 plates of meat Will) by the time you've raised your foot up the brake pedal to get some meaningful purchase on the accelerator with the side/heel of your foot it actually becomes closer to " heel and ball" rather than heel and toe.
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