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As the title says, what planet are these people on?
www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2007/03/17/nosplit/mfbike17.xml
Read this as it may very soon apply to cars as well (and we voted for these to55ers!!!!)
www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2007/03/17/nosplit/mfbike17.xml
Read this as it may very soon apply to cars as well (and we voted for these to55ers!!!!)
The article is absolute bollox. Read the bill. There's no requirement to make bikes road legal, in fact the bill (which is a pre-committee PMB so will never reach the statute books in current form) requires that there be
"no duty to take out a vehicle licence under section 1 of this [the Vehicle Excise and Registration] Act [1994] by reason of their being exclusively used and kept off public roads."
for it to apply.
It also requires only that the vehicle be uniquely identifiable, rather than carry a plate. Section 5 of the bill states:
"The Secretary of State shall ensure that the registration of an off-road bike matches the manufacturer’s exclusive identification markings present on the bike."
Badly written law, bureaucratic, and probably pointless, yes. "So whether it is Valentino Rossi's 2007 MotoGP Yamaha or a classic racer, an Edwardian museum exhibit or a gold-plated custom show bike, the proposals mean it will have to be fitted with number plates and made RTA-compliant or face confiscation and destruction." - utter rubbish.
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"no duty to take out a vehicle licence under section 1 of this [the Vehicle Excise and Registration] Act [1994] by reason of their being exclusively used and kept off public roads."
for it to apply.
It also requires only that the vehicle be uniquely identifiable, rather than carry a plate. Section 5 of the bill states:
"The Secretary of State shall ensure that the registration of an off-road bike matches the manufacturer’s exclusive identification markings present on the bike."
Badly written law, bureaucratic, and probably pointless, yes. "So whether it is Valentino Rossi's 2007 MotoGP Yamaha or a classic racer, an Edwardian museum exhibit or a gold-plated custom show bike, the proposals mean it will have to be fitted with number plates and made RTA-compliant or face confiscation and destruction." - utter rubbish.
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Edited by J111 on Wednesday 21st March 14:09
More pointless badly thought out Bollox!
But its another chip out of our peice on mind and another do gooder raising an issue which will get carried along to some conclusion by the people who have F all better to do that be outraged that some of us have fun.
While this will not (should not) become law, I can't help butthink that a toned down version might be around the corner.
This version is to scare us so silly that when a slightly lesser but still draconian law is passed, we all feel releif that " it could have been worse".
Come the revolution..........
But its another chip out of our peice on mind and another do gooder raising an issue which will get carried along to some conclusion by the people who have F all better to do that be outraged that some of us have fun.
While this will not (should not) become law, I can't help butthink that a toned down version might be around the corner.
This version is to scare us so silly that when a slightly lesser but still draconian law is passed, we all feel releif that " it could have been worse".
Come the revolution..........
From Today's Telegraph ...
Motorcycle bill roars on towards disaster
Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 24/03/2007
A week might be a long time in politics but it seems to be an incredibly short time in which to persuade politicians that they are making a huge mistake, writes Frank Melling
Last week, Telegraph Motoring reported on Graham Stringer's Off-Road Vehicles Registration Bill, which is supposed to curb the illegal use of mini-motos but is so ill-conceived that motorcycles of any description would have to carry number plates and comply with the Road Traffic Act.
At a stroke, the bill would destroy the British motorcycle-racing industry, decimate museums, kill off custom and classic bike shows and, as a by-product, render farmers liable to prosecution for using agricultural quad bikes. Not a bad morning's work for a backbench politician.
As demonstrated by the online reader responses to our report (see www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring), a huge outcry has greeted this shallow, inept proposal, yet there has been no apology or promise to rectify the errors that it contains. Despite a number of requests, the Department for Transport (DfT) still refuses to reveal what it will do to save the British motorcycle industry, saying: "This whole thing [Mr Stringer's Bill] is to be looked at in the committee stage and we wouldn't want to comment further on its effects and any possible amendments until then." The Liberal Democrats, the arch supporters of Mr Stringer's Bill, have adopted the same position. In fact, the situation now looks even worse. The DfT does not have a definition of non-type-approved quad bikes, so it is possible that leisure and even racing karts could be classified as quads by careless lawmakers or zealous police officers. Some military vehicles will also fall under the remit of the bill.
Reading through the speeches from the most recent debate (go to www.theyworkforyou.com, click on March 2 and look for the Off Road Vehicles Registration Bill), MPs' lack of basic technical knowledge is shocking. Mr Stringer also offered the ludicrous opinion that "Many of those vehicles initially used by responsible farmers or organised racers end up being used by irresponsible people".
By all means add your comments to those at the bottom of last week's article or sign the online petition at www.petitions.pm.gov.uk, but above all please write now to your MP at The House of Commons, London SW1A 0AA or send an email (try www.writetothem.com) and ask him or her to oppose the bill. We can no longer assume that common sense will prevail.
Motorcycle bill roars on towards disaster
Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 24/03/2007
A week might be a long time in politics but it seems to be an incredibly short time in which to persuade politicians that they are making a huge mistake, writes Frank Melling
Last week, Telegraph Motoring reported on Graham Stringer's Off-Road Vehicles Registration Bill, which is supposed to curb the illegal use of mini-motos but is so ill-conceived that motorcycles of any description would have to carry number plates and comply with the Road Traffic Act.
At a stroke, the bill would destroy the British motorcycle-racing industry, decimate museums, kill off custom and classic bike shows and, as a by-product, render farmers liable to prosecution for using agricultural quad bikes. Not a bad morning's work for a backbench politician.
As demonstrated by the online reader responses to our report (see www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring), a huge outcry has greeted this shallow, inept proposal, yet there has been no apology or promise to rectify the errors that it contains. Despite a number of requests, the Department for Transport (DfT) still refuses to reveal what it will do to save the British motorcycle industry, saying: "This whole thing [Mr Stringer's Bill] is to be looked at in the committee stage and we wouldn't want to comment further on its effects and any possible amendments until then." The Liberal Democrats, the arch supporters of Mr Stringer's Bill, have adopted the same position. In fact, the situation now looks even worse. The DfT does not have a definition of non-type-approved quad bikes, so it is possible that leisure and even racing karts could be classified as quads by careless lawmakers or zealous police officers. Some military vehicles will also fall under the remit of the bill.
Reading through the speeches from the most recent debate (go to www.theyworkforyou.com, click on March 2 and look for the Off Road Vehicles Registration Bill), MPs' lack of basic technical knowledge is shocking. Mr Stringer also offered the ludicrous opinion that "Many of those vehicles initially used by responsible farmers or organised racers end up being used by irresponsible people".
By all means add your comments to those at the bottom of last week's article or sign the online petition at www.petitions.pm.gov.uk, but above all please write now to your MP at The House of Commons, London SW1A 0AA or send an email (try www.writetothem.com) and ask him or her to oppose the bill. We can no longer assume that common sense will prevail.
This bill will effect cars if it's gets through. Let us be honest; Graham Stringer wants to be a front bencher. Blair is going soon and with a re-shuffle he feels that this bill puts him in the lime light! Is someone who's going to break the law bother with a number plate or registration? Don't think so.
I sent a message yesterday to my MP, via the link on the Telegraph page. I got a reply from him today saying he completely agrees with me i.e. that mini motos are a niusance but that this law is ill conceived and they should use existing powers instead. It did make we wonder whether he was just agreeing with me for the sake or whether he actually meant it 
.
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