OK, so what is the speed limit?
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Morning all,
Drove along a road I know well (but haven't been down for a while). Looks like the council have tried to change the speed limits but have seriously screwed up (in my opinion). Just wondering a) who to talk to officially and b) what would the enforceable limit be (if stopped by
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The road in question is Dagnall to Northchurch (B4506).
As you leave Dagnall, you pass the NSL signs at the end of the village (By "sign" I mean a proper roadside sign as defined in the highway code)
After 0.5 mile, you come to another set of NSL signs (the sign for the opposite direction says "40", I suspect these are the wrong way round)
For 1 mile there are "40" reminder painted on the road (no road-side repeaters) and the last "real" sign passed said "NSL"
Then pass a "30" sign. After quarter of a mile, pass a "50" sign. This lasts 3/4 mile and there are "50" reminders painted on the road (but no road-side repeaters).
Then pass a "40" sign and this limit lasts for half a mile. Once more there are "40" reminders painted on the road and no road-side repeaters.
Then pass a "50" sign. This limit lasts 1.5 miles and also has the reminders painted on the road
Then pass a "40" sign and half a mile later, enter the "30" limit for the village of Northchurch.
So in my opinion the 30 limits are valid, but are the other ones? Is a reminder painted on the road a valid repeater?
Drove along a road I know well (but haven't been down for a while). Looks like the council have tried to change the speed limits but have seriously screwed up (in my opinion). Just wondering a) who to talk to officially and b) what would the enforceable limit be (if stopped by
) The road in question is Dagnall to Northchurch (B4506).
As you leave Dagnall, you pass the NSL signs at the end of the village (By "sign" I mean a proper roadside sign as defined in the highway code)
After 0.5 mile, you come to another set of NSL signs (the sign for the opposite direction says "40", I suspect these are the wrong way round)
For 1 mile there are "40" reminder painted on the road (no road-side repeaters) and the last "real" sign passed said "NSL"
Then pass a "30" sign. After quarter of a mile, pass a "50" sign. This lasts 3/4 mile and there are "50" reminders painted on the road (but no road-side repeaters).
Then pass a "40" sign and this limit lasts for half a mile. Once more there are "40" reminders painted on the road and no road-side repeaters.
Then pass a "50" sign. This limit lasts 1.5 miles and also has the reminders painted on the road
Then pass a "40" sign and half a mile later, enter the "30" limit for the village of Northchurch.
So in my opinion the 30 limits are valid, but are the other ones? Is a reminder painted on the road a valid repeater?
Strictly speaking:
Street lighting = 30mph unless otherwise legally signposted.
No street lighting = NSL unless otherwise legally signposted.
Painted number on the road is not legal signposting - it must be a proper roundel of black digits on a white background in a red circle, repeating every 200yds. Entry into a speed limit must be two large roundels facing you, one each side of the road.
(I'm sure DVD will be along shortly to confirm/correct as necessary!)
Street lighting = 30mph unless otherwise legally signposted.
No street lighting = NSL unless otherwise legally signposted.
Painted number on the road is not legal signposting - it must be a proper roundel of black digits on a white background in a red circle, repeating every 200yds. Entry into a speed limit must be two large roundels facing you, one each side of the road.
(I'm sure DVD will be along shortly to confirm/correct as necessary!)
jacobyte said:
Strictly speaking:
Street lighting = 30mph unless otherwise legally signposted.
No street lighting = NSL unless otherwise legally signposted.
Painted number on the road is not legal signposting - it must be a proper roundel of black digits on a white background in a red circle, repeating every 200yds. Entry into a speed limit must be two large roundels facing you, one each side of the road.
(I'm sure DVD will be along shortly to confirm/correct as necessary!)
Street lighting = 30mph unless otherwise legally signposted.
No street lighting = NSL unless otherwise legally signposted.
Painted number on the road is not legal signposting - it must be a proper roundel of black digits on a white background in a red circle, repeating every 200yds. Entry into a speed limit must be two large roundels facing you, one each side of the road.
(I'm sure DVD will be along shortly to confirm/correct as necessary!)
Distance for repeaters is not specified & it will be up to the court to decide whether sufficient.
Whilst it is true that roundels on the road surface aren't ordinarily satisfactory as repeaters, it is permissable for them to be so in areas specified by the Secretary of State. This typically happens in areas of natural beauty such as The New Forest.
vonhosen said:
jacobyte said:
Strictly speaking:
Street lighting = 30mph unless otherwise legally signposted.
No street lighting = NSL unless otherwise legally signposted.
Painted number on the road is not legal signposting - it must be a proper roundel of black digits on a white background in a red circle, repeating every 200yds. Entry into a speed limit must be two large roundels facing you, one each side of the road.
(I'm sure DVD will be along shortly to confirm/correct as necessary!)
Street lighting = 30mph unless otherwise legally signposted.
No street lighting = NSL unless otherwise legally signposted.
Painted number on the road is not legal signposting - it must be a proper roundel of black digits on a white background in a red circle, repeating every 200yds. Entry into a speed limit must be two large roundels facing you, one each side of the road.
(I'm sure DVD will be along shortly to confirm/correct as necessary!)
Distance for repeaters is not specified & it will be up to the court to decide whether sufficient.
Whilst it is true that roundels on the road surface aren't ordinarily satisfactory as repeaters, it is permissable for them to be so in areas specified by the Secretary of State. This typically happens in areas of natural beauty such as The New Forest.
What about the signs that are the wrong way round? If the sign on the post says NSL and the road markings say 40, then what speed should I do?
sheepy said:
vonhosen said:
jacobyte said:
Strictly speaking:
Street lighting = 30mph unless otherwise legally signposted.
No street lighting = NSL unless otherwise legally signposted.
Painted number on the road is not legal signposting - it must be a proper roundel of black digits on a white background in a red circle, repeating every 200yds. Entry into a speed limit must be two large roundels facing you, one each side of the road.
(I'm sure DVD will be along shortly to confirm/correct as necessary!)
Street lighting = 30mph unless otherwise legally signposted.
No street lighting = NSL unless otherwise legally signposted.
Painted number on the road is not legal signposting - it must be a proper roundel of black digits on a white background in a red circle, repeating every 200yds. Entry into a speed limit must be two large roundels facing you, one each side of the road.
(I'm sure DVD will be along shortly to confirm/correct as necessary!)
Distance for repeaters is not specified & it will be up to the court to decide whether sufficient.
Whilst it is true that roundels on the road surface aren't ordinarily satisfactory as repeaters, it is permissable for them to be so in areas specified by the Secretary of State. This typically happens in areas of natural beauty such as The New Forest.
What about the signs that are the wrong way round? If the sign on the post says NSL and the road markings say 40, then what speed should I do?
Sounds like a local yob has spun the signs around.
You should obey the repeaters (whether they be painted on the road, or on a post).
vonhosen said:
sheepy said:
vonhosen said:
jacobyte said:
Strictly speaking:
Street lighting = 30mph unless otherwise legally signposted.
No street lighting = NSL unless otherwise legally signposted.
Painted number on the road is not legal signposting - it must be a proper roundel of black digits on a white background in a red circle, repeating every 200yds. Entry into a speed limit must be two large roundels facing you, one each side of the road.
(I'm sure DVD will be along shortly to confirm/correct as necessary!)
Street lighting = 30mph unless otherwise legally signposted.
No street lighting = NSL unless otherwise legally signposted.
Painted number on the road is not legal signposting - it must be a proper roundel of black digits on a white background in a red circle, repeating every 200yds. Entry into a speed limit must be two large roundels facing you, one each side of the road.
(I'm sure DVD will be along shortly to confirm/correct as necessary!)
Distance for repeaters is not specified & it will be up to the court to decide whether sufficient.
Whilst it is true that roundels on the road surface aren't ordinarily satisfactory as repeaters, it is permissable for them to be so in areas specified by the Secretary of State. This typically happens in areas of natural beauty such as The New Forest.
What about the signs that are the wrong way round? If the sign on the post says NSL and the road markings say 40, then what speed should I do?
Sounds like a local yob has spun the signs around.
You should obey the repeaters (whether they be painted on the road, or on a post).
I do wish you would arrest und throw book at yobs who turn lollies around Liebchen. After all if speed ist supposed to "kill" und they mess with these signs.. should they not get banged up for "attempted murder" given the emphasis placed on these lollies
I do dislike petty vandals ...
It show zero respect really. (und I loathe litter louts too ) vonhosen said:
sheepy said:
vonhosen said:
jacobyte said:
Strictly speaking:
Street lighting = 30mph unless otherwise legally signposted.
No street lighting = NSL unless otherwise legally signposted.
Painted number on the road is not legal signposting - it must be a proper roundel of black digits on a white background in a red circle, repeating every 200yds. Entry into a speed limit must be two large roundels facing you, one each side of the road.
(I'm sure DVD will be along shortly to confirm/correct as necessary!)
Street lighting = 30mph unless otherwise legally signposted.
No street lighting = NSL unless otherwise legally signposted.
Painted number on the road is not legal signposting - it must be a proper roundel of black digits on a white background in a red circle, repeating every 200yds. Entry into a speed limit must be two large roundels facing you, one each side of the road.
(I'm sure DVD will be along shortly to confirm/correct as necessary!)
Distance for repeaters is not specified & it will be up to the court to decide whether sufficient.
Whilst it is true that roundels on the road surface aren't ordinarily satisfactory as repeaters, it is permissable for them to be so in areas specified by the Secretary of State. This typically happens in areas of natural beauty such as The New Forest.
What about the signs that are the wrong way round? If the sign on the post says NSL and the road markings say 40, then what speed should I do?
Sounds like a local yob has spun the signs around.
You should obey the repeaters (whether they be painted on the road, or on a post).
Nope, these signs are in the middle of nowhere and show no signs of tampering (I'm sad enough to have stopped for a look on the way home)
vonhosen said:
sheepy said:
What about the signs that are the wrong way round? If the sign on the post says NSL and the road markings say 40, then what speed should I do?
Sounds like a local yob has spun the signs around.
You should obey the repeaters (whether they be painted on the road, or on a post).
Why?
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