Numberplate vibrator
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DennisTheMenace

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15,605 posts

289 months

Saturday 26th April 2003
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Ive been thinking when plod use a laser gun on your car they aim for the numberplate , soo why not have a device that vibrates your numberplate at high speed that will give a false reading ? ie you could be doing 90 plod zap you but because your plates vibrating they get a reading back of about 300mph ! anyone think this will work ?

dazren

22,612 posts

282 months

Saturday 26th April 2003
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My number plate already vibrates due to the state of the road.

DAZ

DennisTheMenace

Original Poster:

15,605 posts

289 months

Saturday 26th April 2003
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but do you think such a device would work ???

mikeylad

32,137 posts

274 months

Saturday 26th April 2003
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i'm not sure, but i think whilst they might aim for your numberplate, they don't actually have to hit it to get a reading. will stand to be corrected, mind.

cazzo

15,613 posts

288 months

Saturday 26th April 2003
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......they get a reading back of about 300mph ! anyone think this will work ?


No I think you would get nicked for 300mph - wonder how long a stretch you'd get for that? (probably bring back hanging!)

deltaf

6,806 posts

274 months

Saturday 26th April 2003
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Dunno mate...i suppose its a possibility.
I favour mounting the plate on the far right of the bumper, a bit like alfashite, so as to make a return to a laser gun as hard as possible.
Also ive attended to my plates propensity to reflect, by using a matted perspex front to the plate, ya know the clear stuff that the numbers are stuck to.
It looks a fraction blurred, but only very slightly, and the numbers and background are totally non-reflective.
It looks exactly like a normal plate, except at night when it dosent light up the same as others.
Testing has proved it to decrease the distance an lti20/20 can get a reading back, by some 400 feet give or take a coupla feet.
The white background is sprayed on, not stuck on, and once dry it looks just like a normal plate.
The way to matt the shiny perspex is to use a bit of scotchbrite to remove the shine.
It dosent seem to get any dirtier any quicker than normal.
Also, cut down the surround of the plate to make it as small as regulations will allow. Mine is regulation space/height and size with the minimum border allowed.
It all makes the "target" area smaller and less easy to hit.
Try it, youll like it!

dazren

22,612 posts

282 months

Saturday 26th April 2003
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Nah, I prefer the Q' Branch anti-laser missile defence defence system myself.

When you consider the hairdryer operative can zap you from 200 yards away, the vibrations would have to be bloody quick to make a percentage difference in the time taken for the laser to bounce back and thus affect the reading.

DAZ

DennisTheMenace

Original Poster:

15,605 posts

289 months

Saturday 26th April 2003
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Ok idea scrapped diffuser it is

boosted ls1

21,200 posts

281 months

Saturday 26th April 2003
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I've more or less completed a flip up plate but will also fit a phantom plate as well. The flip up will be electronic and also allow air through the bumper to the radiator. So maybe I forgot to flip it down after speed testing off road.

tonyrec

3,984 posts

276 months

Saturday 26th April 2003
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Its not the plate that we aim for.....its the whole car (easy target really) and the range is about 400m.

tvradict

3,829 posts

295 months

Saturday 26th April 2003
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Theres a much easier way to solve this problem...


Laser Guided Missiles!

The system picks up the laser being fired, locks on to target and automatically fires 3 missles.

Muahahahahahahahaha........

tonyrec

3,984 posts

276 months

Saturday 26th April 2003
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Seriously though, its a pretty foolproof piece of kit and extremely accurate and easy to use.
However, its most effective when used in the right areas and for the right reasons (not on my car i hope).

deltaf

6,806 posts

274 months

Saturday 26th April 2003
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Black car, no headlights(pop ups! ) shiney areas matted,...should make for a challenge? What say you Tony Rec?

tonyrec

3,984 posts

276 months

Saturday 26th April 2003
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In the dark it would be difficult.....you pay your money and take your chance!

tonyrec

3,984 posts

276 months

Saturday 26th April 2003
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Dont use them too often myself......too busy doing other things.
However,they are flavour of the month and will be used a lot more often because "speed kills".

We have one on test at the moment which is only the size of a digital camera....so be careful. Gone are the days when you had to rest them on tripods or the roof of the car because they were so heavy.

I have to say though.......the cameras in the little white vans are nothing but revenue collectors from what ive seen.

FourWheelDrift

91,571 posts

305 months

Sunday 27th April 2003
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Just get one of these..
www.army-technology.com/contractors/camouflage/avitronics/index.html

Connected to one of these.....
www.army-technology.com/contractors/missiles/mauser/mauser2.html

Can I take any orders?

But if you think you can bully the Truvelo camera boys see what else they make, they'll fight back...!!!!
www.army-technology.com/contractors/civil/truvelo/index.html

Richard C

1,685 posts

278 months

Sunday 27th April 2003
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There is a real possibility here.

You would need to vibrate the reflector/numberplate at about 75-100 Hz and about 150-300mm amplitude. This will cause the signals over the 1/3rd sec pulse width to be returned with different speeds ( your speed plus/minus about 50 mile/h )

Tonyrec is right - at 400m the beam for an LTI 20-20 spreads out to 3.5m diameter so the detector picks up from the most of the rest of the car ( and other cars )Depending on how matt/filthy/sloping front your car is depends on how good the your real 'reflected with constant speed' signals are compared to the reflected ones which are 'adjusted by vibration'. If the former are good high amplitude ones, the error trapping functions may reject the vibrated ones.

Hates_

778 posts

274 months

Sunday 27th April 2003
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But then if you are going 40/50 dont you run the risk of being caught when a reading of 70/80 or whatever is returned?

boosted ls1

21,200 posts

281 months

Sunday 27th April 2003
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The thing is to be unidentifiable ie, mess with the plates. I heard that no front plate is a £20 fine and non endorsible? Is this true. After that don't sign the NIPs.

CarZee

13,382 posts

288 months

Monday 28th April 2003
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I'm sure we had something posted a few months back - link to anoter site maybe - using a loudspeaker & a plate to generate vibrations that confused various speed detection devices..