Taking pictures of young children
Discussion
I've been approached to do some work for a mums/tots group
Never really worked with children so young so trying to research it without triggering Operation Ore is proving a stumbling block. Has anyone got some good legit links?
Also with regards to doint this, despite being aproached by the group and known to them, are there any legel requirements I should be aware of? Do I need to get vetted at all and if so how?
Thanks
Never really worked with children so young so trying to research it without triggering Operation Ore is proving a stumbling block. Has anyone got some good legit links?
Also with regards to doint this, despite being aproached by the group and known to them, are there any legel requirements I should be aware of? Do I need to get vetted at all and if so how?
Thanks
Your opening a can of worms re security checks, signed release forms etc.
I hope I'm OK to post this link but try www.ephotozine.com use the search box in top left corner and it should bring up lots of previous discussions on this subject.
Carl
I hope I'm OK to post this link but try www.ephotozine.com use the search box in top left corner and it should bring up lots of previous discussions on this subject.
Carl
the Guest ( a football team coach)
was from Yuuurksheer
"Well Jeremeee, we ad' one o them piedyoflys at a match t other day
Got Copper on im' aye....
and then T other week lass turned up,
tekkin' pitchers n that
I says to er'
Eh lass you cant take them pitchers like'
little uns parents wunt lyke it"
She says I assed t' last week n' it wus allreet then like
I say to I sez,
that were laaaast weeeek lass,
youve to ask p mission evry tyme.
Ad nauseum;
radio version of sheeps crook sweeps across studio drags him off
was from Yuuurksheer
"Well Jeremeee, we ad' one o them piedyoflys at a match t other day
Got Copper on im' aye....
and then T other week lass turned up,
tekkin' pitchers n that
I says to er'
Eh lass you cant take them pitchers like'
little uns parents wunt lyke it"
She says I assed t' last week n' it wus allreet then like
I say to I sez,
that were laaaast weeeek lass,
youve to ask p mission evry tyme.
Ad nauseum;
radio version of sheeps crook sweeps across studio drags him off
if thats the recognized certification
the Northern numpty went on;
We played at a Tournament in Leeds
where an approved picture taker took pictures
and they appeared on the cover of (insert some football mag title here)
which apparently is then OK as it can be ogled by countless unsavoury bachelors in WH smiths any given Saturday for nothing
where as, pictures taken by parents
might appear on T' internet
the Northern numpty went on;
We played at a Tournament in Leeds
where an approved picture taker took pictures
and they appeared on the cover of (insert some football mag title here)
which apparently is then OK as it can be ogled by countless unsavoury bachelors in WH smiths any given Saturday for nothing
where as, pictures taken by parents
might appear on T' internet
Stig,
Done this both invited and uninvited. I've got an extended CRB check but if there's any trouble it's usually from uninformed parents who just get vocal. At this point I've learnt to just pack up as there's no point explaining the law etc to them (or showing them the print out I have).
If you're invited to the playgroup etc then usually a letter will go out saying a photograher will be present, anyone who want's their photo's taken etc. Then as the parents put them forward there's no problem.
You're only problem is getting the little darlings to perform.
Oh all the usual bits apply. Work down at there height, eye level. A remote shutter is good and use things to distract amuse them. Depends on the age but I've used bouncy balls, squeeking toys, remote controlled robots, mum stood behind the camera.
You'll be fine
Done this both invited and uninvited. I've got an extended CRB check but if there's any trouble it's usually from uninformed parents who just get vocal. At this point I've learnt to just pack up as there's no point explaining the law etc to them (or showing them the print out I have).
If you're invited to the playgroup etc then usually a letter will go out saying a photograher will be present, anyone who want's their photo's taken etc. Then as the parents put them forward there's no problem.
You're only problem is getting the little darlings to perform.
Oh all the usual bits apply. Work down at there height, eye level. A remote shutter is good and use things to distract amuse them. Depends on the age but I've used bouncy balls, squeeking toys, remote controlled robots, mum stood behind the camera.
You'll be fine
Edited by byker28i on Saturday 24th March 10:35
There's no legal requirement for any kind of model release for anyone, regardless of their age, when shot in the UK.
The only two occassions where a release form is necessary is where a professional model has it as part of their contract or if you are planning to sell stock images internationally, as some countries, like the US, DO have privacy laws.
You are quite at liberty to shoot anyone, anywhere. The only exception to that is one's own home, ie you can't shoot through a window into someone's house. Although you can also be prevented from shooting on private property, that's down to the owner, NOT the photographic subject.
Our laws focus (hoho) on what you do with the image after the fact - you can be done for defamation if you present someone in a "bad light". But that's about it. Contrary to popular belief, we do not have any right to privacy in this country, with the sole exception, as said, of our homes.
The only two occassions where a release form is necessary is where a professional model has it as part of their contract or if you are planning to sell stock images internationally, as some countries, like the US, DO have privacy laws.
You are quite at liberty to shoot anyone, anywhere. The only exception to that is one's own home, ie you can't shoot through a window into someone's house. Although you can also be prevented from shooting on private property, that's down to the owner, NOT the photographic subject.
Our laws focus (hoho) on what you do with the image after the fact - you can be done for defamation if you present someone in a "bad light". But that's about it. Contrary to popular belief, we do not have any right to privacy in this country, with the sole exception, as said, of our homes.
Hmmm - this thread mostly goes against what I've been told. I think there are a lot of anti child photography by-laws and general paranoia.
Taking any photos of children is generally a big no-no in Wiltshire. A photographer I know wasn't allowed to photograph his grandchildren at school sports day.
At my local folk-festival last year two photographers were reported to the organisers for allegedly taking pictures of children. One said they were taking general crowd scenes but the mother feared his lens was unacceptably big, and the other asked the mother for consent and took the picture with mother and child in the frame; she reported it because she changed her mind! It caused huge hassle for the organisers and event security.
I was invited by the organisers to take photos of a coronation re-enactment by local children in the cathedral. Full costume - the real deal. I was given superb access to the event and I got some stunning photos. Local paper wouldn't touch them as they only publish pictures of children submitted by parents or taken by their own snapper. I've been warned off using the images in the camera club, etc. I gave all the images to the participating schools but got not even a word of thanks. Nice day out but a complete waste of time photographically.
However, as a paid professional you are probably into a whole different ball-game.
Taking any photos of children is generally a big no-no in Wiltshire. A photographer I know wasn't allowed to photograph his grandchildren at school sports day.
At my local folk-festival last year two photographers were reported to the organisers for allegedly taking pictures of children. One said they were taking general crowd scenes but the mother feared his lens was unacceptably big, and the other asked the mother for consent and took the picture with mother and child in the frame; she reported it because she changed her mind! It caused huge hassle for the organisers and event security.
I was invited by the organisers to take photos of a coronation re-enactment by local children in the cathedral. Full costume - the real deal. I was given superb access to the event and I got some stunning photos. Local paper wouldn't touch them as they only publish pictures of children submitted by parents or taken by their own snapper. I've been warned off using the images in the camera club, etc. I gave all the images to the participating schools but got not even a word of thanks. Nice day out but a complete waste of time photographically.
However, as a paid professional you are probably into a whole different ball-game.
Nacnud said:
I think there are a lot of anti child photography by-laws and general paranoia.
Correct on the latter, incorrect on the former. There are no distinctions based on age and no right to privacy in any public place. The old "sports day/school play" embargoes are nothing more than scaremongering and paranoia by parents (and then schools who are afraid of said reaction from parents).
www.sirimo.co.uk/ukpr.php
(A few years old, but still applicable - worth carrying a copy of the PDF)
www.phooto.co.uk/rights.shtml
which has prompted the ubiquitous petition :
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Photograph
However, that's not because the govt are suggesting curtailing photographic rights at all, despite what most people think of that petition
www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Thousands_sign_photo_rights_petition_news_110170.html
Famous Graham said:
Nacnud said:
I think there are a lot of anti child photography by-laws and general paranoia.
Correct on the latter, incorrect on the former. There are no distinctions based on age and no right to privacy in any public place. The old "sports day/school play" embargoes are nothing more than scaremongering and paranoia by parents (and then schools who are afraid of said reaction from parents).
Nacnud said:
Hmmm - this thread mostly goes against what I've been told. I think there are a lot of anti child photography by-laws and general paranoia.
Taking any photos of children is generally a big no-no in Wiltshire. A photographer I know wasn't allowed to photograph his grandchildren at school sports day.
At my local folk-festival last year two photographers were reported to the organisers for allegedly taking pictures of children. One said they were taking general crowd scenes but the mother feared his lens was unacceptably big, and the other asked the mother for consent and took the picture with mother and child in the frame; she reported it because she changed her mind! It caused huge hassle for the organisers and event security.
I was invited by the organisers to take photos of a coronation re-enactment by local children in the cathedral. Full costume - the real deal. I was given superb access to the event and I got some stunning photos. Local paper wouldn't touch them as they only publish pictures of children submitted by parents or taken by their own snapper. I've been warned off using the images in the camera club, etc. I gave all the images to the participating schools but got not even a word of thanks. Nice day out but a complete waste of time photographically.
However, as a paid professional you are probably into a whole different ball-game.
Taking any photos of children is generally a big no-no in Wiltshire. A photographer I know wasn't allowed to photograph his grandchildren at school sports day.
At my local folk-festival last year two photographers were reported to the organisers for allegedly taking pictures of children. One said they were taking general crowd scenes but the mother feared his lens was unacceptably big, and the other asked the mother for consent and took the picture with mother and child in the frame; she reported it because she changed her mind! It caused huge hassle for the organisers and event security.
I was invited by the organisers to take photos of a coronation re-enactment by local children in the cathedral. Full costume - the real deal. I was given superb access to the event and I got some stunning photos. Local paper wouldn't touch them as they only publish pictures of children submitted by parents or taken by their own snapper. I've been warned off using the images in the camera club, etc. I gave all the images to the participating schools but got not even a word of thanks. Nice day out but a complete waste of time photographically.
However, as a paid professional you are probably into a whole different ball-game.
what you said makes my urine have exceed its bp! Not you you understand just teh stupidity of the general public on the whole. The press are ultimately to blame for this
Graham,
Cheers for those links; quick scan looks very useful - will read properly later.
I forwarded those links to a photography teacher I know, and she came back with this rather alarming response.....
"It is not just children! Woe betide those who wish to take 'arty' shots in the London Underground! One of our exam questions last year was 'Underground' and the poor student who decided to visit the London Underground as a starting point got arrested under the anti - terrorism law! It seems it is not the same across the board, Weston SM station were fine, but Cribbs Causeway sent out the Heavies against another of my students recently! What is the world coming to!"
Looks like she could do with an ID card scheme for her students........
Cheers for those links; quick scan looks very useful - will read properly later.
I forwarded those links to a photography teacher I know, and she came back with this rather alarming response.....
"It is not just children! Woe betide those who wish to take 'arty' shots in the London Underground! One of our exam questions last year was 'Underground' and the poor student who decided to visit the London Underground as a starting point got arrested under the anti - terrorism law! It seems it is not the same across the board, Weston SM station were fine, but Cribbs Causeway sent out the Heavies against another of my students recently! What is the world coming to!"
Looks like she could do with an ID card scheme for her students........
LU are notorious for being arsey about photographers. I think flash is banned, for good reason (dazzling drivers), but it varies depending on the station and personnel as to how they behave toward photographers.
I'm pretty sure that LU own the stations though, which makes it private, not public property. Hence their ability to say "cease and desist".
Getting arrested is a bit daft though - I assume they weren't actually charged.
I'm pretty sure that LU own the stations though, which makes it private, not public property. Hence their ability to say "cease and desist".
Getting arrested is a bit daft though - I assume they weren't actually charged.
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