Cunning McLaren strikes again
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It really makes no odds what the outcome was, the only important thing is to make sure everyone is allowed to use the same features on their cars, and thats all Mclaren asked for clarification on.
If the FIA said yes, Mclaren and all the others benefit, if the FIA say no then Mclaren and the others benefit
If the FIA said yes, Mclaren and all the others benefit, if the FIA say no then Mclaren and the others benefit
woof said:
top boys
I'm sure Ferrari and BMW knew it would be banned as soon as FIA got wind of it - no doubt they have a new floor ready to go already. But i bet they don't have the same top speed advantage
Indeed, we punters would love to learn how much of an advantage the device is reckoned to have brought.
Locoblade said:
It really makes no odds what the outcome was, the only important thing is to make sure everyone is allowed to use the same features on their cars, and thats all Mclaren asked for clarification on.
If the FIA said yes, Mclaren and all the others benefit, if the FIA say no then Mclaren and the others benefit
If the FIA said yes, Mclaren and all the others benefit, if the FIA say no then Mclaren and the others benefit
Not quite the way it works. If the FIA says yes, they tell you. If they say no, they tell everyone.
WilliBetz
Not really, its not as if Mclaren made any secret of wanting clarification on the issue, so Im sure all the other teams would have followed suit and asked for the results of the clarification as well, because they'd want to know one way or the other ASAP.
Even if that wasnt the case though, if Mclaren turned up in Malaysia with a sprung floor then everyone would know pretty quickly what the FIA stance was!
Even if that wasnt the case though, if Mclaren turned up in Malaysia with a sprung floor then everyone would know pretty quickly what the FIA stance was!
Locoblade said:
Not really, its not as if Mclaren made any secret of wanting clarification on the issue, so Im sure all the other teams would have followed suit and asked for the results of the clarification as well, because they'd want to know one way or the other ASAP.
Even if that wasnt the case though, if Mclaren turned up in Malaysia with a sprung floor then everyone would know pretty quickly what the FIA stance was!
Even if that wasnt the case though, if Mclaren turned up in Malaysia with a sprung floor then everyone would know pretty quickly what the FIA stance was!
That's fair enough - I can see that McLaren have played this hand well.
But, if you think about it, the protocol that the FIA use when responding to technical enquiries does make a big difference to the rationale, timing and content of a question you may be thinking of asking them.
WilliBetz
willibetz said:
That's fair enough - I can see that McLaren have played this hand well.
I wonder if they have - I read on another forum that the Ferrari mechanism is an integral part of the floor as opposed to a seperate device, meaning that it cannot be removed. So what McLaren may have done is allow Ferrari to continue using it, but make it much harder for any other teams to catch up. jamieboy said:
willibetz said:
That's fair enough - I can see that McLaren have played this hand well.
I wonder if they have - I read on another forum that the Ferrari mechanism is an integral part of the floor as opposed to a seperate device, meaning that it cannot be removed. So what McLaren may have done is allow Ferrari to continue using it, but make it much harder for any other teams to catch up. no chance - if the FIA have deemed it to be illegal they won't be running with it at Sepang.
Integral part or not
Locoblade said:
Yup, just because its built in doesn't exonerate it from the rules, if it fails the new test during scrutineering in Malaysia then it won't be able to race unless they modify it.
Although there are the rules and there are Ferrari rules.
There is some commonality between them, but they are not quite the same.
FourWheelDrift said:
The usual FIA practice is:-
Ferrari bends the rules - FIA make a rule change clarifying the interpretation as legal.
Another team bends the rules - interpretation banned, team docked points or banned from a number of races.
I can't remember how many points were docked, or race bans imposed for: Ferrari bends the rules - FIA make a rule change clarifying the interpretation as legal.
Another team bends the rules - interpretation banned, team docked points or banned from a number of races.
McLaren with their two brake pedals
Renault with their tuned mass damper
Benetton with their alleged launch control
jamieboy said:
FourWheelDrift said:
The usual FIA practice is:-
Ferrari bends the rules - FIA make a rule change clarifying the interpretation as legal.
Another team bends the rules - interpretation banned, team docked points or banned from a number of races.
I can't remember how many points were docked, or race bans imposed for: Ferrari bends the rules - FIA make a rule change clarifying the interpretation as legal.
Another team bends the rules - interpretation banned, team docked points or banned from a number of races.
McLaren with their two brake pedals
Renault with their tuned mass damper
Benetton with their alleged launch control
Those interpretations were all banned which I said above. They don't have to have points docked or banned from races as well that's what the comma and the "or" means. If I had meant all or two I would have used the word "and".
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Wednesday 28th March 14:01
FourWheelDrift said:
Those interpretations were all banned which I said above. They don't have to have points docked or banned from races as well that's what the comma and the "or" means. If I had meant all or two I would have used the word "and".
Ah, OK - I read it as the banning and then one or other of the punishments. My mistake. jamieboy said:
McLaren with their two brake pedals
That wasn't illegal at the time, it was outlawed after they were busted (after Ferrari pressure, I might add)
jamieboy said:
Renault with their tuned mass damper
There's still nothing illegal about mass dampers (again, banned after pressure from Ferrari, who couldn't get them right)
jamieboy said:
Benetton with their alleged launch control
The key word there is 'alleged', and I think it was traction control, not launch control.
EDIT: Oh yeah, the 'practice only' launch control, not 'Option 13'.
Edited by MrKipling43 on Wednesday 28th March 14:35
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