Arrows A2 1979 F1 car
Arrows A2 1979 F1 car
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The Hypno-Toad

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13,298 posts

234 months

Sunday 1st April 2007
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Anyone on the board know if any of these cars are still in existence and if so, where they might be found? Went to the the Donnington collection a few years ago and I couldn't see one in there. Need to have a look round one for a project.

Thanks in advance.

hut49

3,544 posts

291 months

Sunday 1st April 2007
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One of the bullet-nosed A2s was sold (I think it was Jochen Mass' car A2/2) by Cars International last year or possibly the year before? Might be worth giving them a call to see if they can help. Or try to get through to one of the editors at Ultimate Car where this pic appears - looks like it is/was on display somewhere

The Hypno-Toad

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234 months

Sunday 1st April 2007
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Thanks for that, I will give them a try.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Sunday 1st April 2007
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I saw one at the Coys Festival in 2000.

The Hypno-Toad

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234 months

Sunday 1st April 2007
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Just heard a rumourette that it may be at the Donnington F1 Live thing in May. If so I will grab some photos and info there.

simes205

5,017 posts

257 months

Monday 2nd April 2007
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Are these he 'same' as the Shadow cars?

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Monday 2nd April 2007
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No.

The Shadow/Arrows row centered on the late 1978/early 1979 car.

FourWheelDrift

92,237 posts

313 months

Monday 2nd April 2007
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Shadow DN9


Arrows FA1



Spot the difference.

Strange looking back there are quite a few differences, one might even say they look less like each other than the current crop of F1 cars.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Monday 2nd April 2007
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The fact that the Arrows team personnel were all ex-Shadow people didn't help their defence.

paolow

3,261 posts

287 months

Tuesday 3rd April 2007
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fwd said:

spot the difference


the bottom one has a more colourful livery...


to be honest i cant see much of a problem though. adrian newey will have done a bunk from williams (and later mclaren) with as many top secret designs as he could cram down his overalls and these of course would turn into race parts. go with what you know being the case here and also back then.
granted the cars are similar but nothing compared to the super aguri/honda thing weve got now. obviously i can only see skin deep - and dont know of this rift - but im looking at two similar cars - similar - but with obvious differences. were the rest of the field so diverse that they stuck out as copycat competitors?

Edited by paolow on Tuesday 3rd April 07:16

redlake27

2,255 posts

273 months

Tuesday 3rd April 2007
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I think the issue here wasn't 'copying', but actually 'using' Shadow's drawings. There is a fine line between imitation and theft............

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Tuesday 3rd April 2007
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Yes - basically.

F1 cars in the 70s were wildly different. The engineering and aeronautical presumptions used as the basis of their chassis and and aerodynamic design often came from very different approaches and assumptions - resulting in very diverrse shapes. It certainly made for interesting grids. Have a look at a line up of 1972 cars and you'll see what I mean.

Ironically, most teams (with the exception of Ferrari) were using the Cosworth DFV engine. This seemed to free up the designers to concentrate on chassis and aerodynamic development. Also, with no computer design and very little wind tunnel access or testing, designers operated on the "try it at the next race and see" principle.

The regulations were also far less presecriptive in those days so designers had far more latitude.

RC racer

2,916 posts

235 months

Wednesday 4th April 2007
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I think they are selling a the car in autsport from last thursday.

Not sure if it is the same car you are on about.

James