GT3 2004 CERAMIC DISC PACKAGE
Discussion
The yellow gt3 we bought last week originally had ceramics on it which the owner used briefly and then removed them for fear of having to replace them.
They are currently boxed.
Rears look like new.
Fronts seem a bit used.
Got the pads with them as well.
The car is being sold with standard factory brakes and discs.
If anyone wants to buy them,please give us a shout.
Joel
They are currently boxed.
Rears look like new.
Fronts seem a bit used.
Got the pads with them as well.
The car is being sold with standard factory brakes and discs.
If anyone wants to buy them,please give us a shout.
Joel
Wetwipe
Its a bit like selling boxsters with hard tops.
You get nothing for them.
Its already there so they just want it thrown in for free.
If we leave these discs in there,the owner will sell them on ebay anyway so we may as well do it ourself.
Also we would not sell a car to anyone with PCCB on it.
He might track it,ruin them and then want us to replace them.
£20000 a set.
We have refused to buy all GT3's,Turbo's and GT2's with PCCB.
Its too much of a liabilty for replacement,given their history.
Joel
Its a bit like selling boxsters with hard tops.
You get nothing for them.
Its already there so they just want it thrown in for free.
If we leave these discs in there,the owner will sell them on ebay anyway so we may as well do it ourself.
Also we would not sell a car to anyone with PCCB on it.
He might track it,ruin them and then want us to replace them.
£20000 a set.
We have refused to buy all GT3's,Turbo's and GT2's with PCCB.
Its too much of a liabilty for replacement,given their history.
Joel
RSJ said:
The yellow gt3 we bought last week originally had ceramics on it which the owner used briefly and then removed them for fear of having to replace them.
They are currently boxed.
Rears look like new.
Fronts seem a bit used.
Got the pads with them as well.
The car is being sold with standard factory brakes and discs.
If anyone wants to buy them,please give us a shout.
Joel
They are currently boxed.
Rears look like new.
Fronts seem a bit used.
Got the pads with them as well.
The car is being sold with standard factory brakes and discs.
If anyone wants to buy them,please give us a shout.
Joel
I can never understand why people did this....
'through the fear of having to replace them'
well he's done already hasn't he !!! from what i see, PCCB equiped 996's don't command any premium over steel brakes, so why
on earth the owners put the discs in a box for resale time is madness, they may aswell use
and abuse them, and sell the car in with the replacement discs.....madness...
Especially as the original owner, how much extra you would have paid for them in the 1st place...!
The ultimate senario would be a string of 3 or so owners of one particular car, each one putting the Ceramic discs
back on the car for resale, and then the next owner taking them straight off to go into a box...
G.
Edited by glenn mcmenamin on Monday 2nd April 13:46
Edited by glenn mcmenamin on Monday 2nd April 14:44
I'm a complete convert to PCCBs - just brilliant.
Might be tempted to put them on my wfe's 987'S' if the price was right, and they fit.
But the obvious buyer would be someone like 'Chillerman', who could keep them as affordable replacements, if needed.
There may be some disgruntled early PCCB users, but I'm sure there are many more that are perfectly happy.
Might be tempted to put them on my wfe's 987'S' if the price was right, and they fit.
But the obvious buyer would be someone like 'Chillerman', who could keep them as affordable replacements, if needed.
There may be some disgruntled early PCCB users, but I'm sure there are many more that are perfectly happy.
RSJ said:
Wetwipe
Its a bit like selling boxsters with hard tops.
You get nothing for them.
Its already there so they just want it thrown in for free.
If we leave these discs in there,the owner will sell them on ebay anyway so we may as well do it ourself.
Also we would not sell a car to anyone with PCCB on it.
He might track it,ruin them and then want us to replace them.
£20000 a set.
We have refused to buy all GT3's,Turbo's and GT2's with PCCB.
Its too much of a liabilty for replacement,given their history.
Joel
Its a bit like selling boxsters with hard tops.
You get nothing for them.
Its already there so they just want it thrown in for free.
If we leave these discs in there,the owner will sell them on ebay anyway so we may as well do it ourself.
Also we would not sell a car to anyone with PCCB on it.
He might track it,ruin them and then want us to replace them.
£20000 a set.
We have refused to buy all GT3's,Turbo's and GT2's with PCCB.
Its too much of a liabilty for replacement,given their history.
Joel
J
many thanks for your reply and I take your point. When i bought my c2 last year from my local non-opc non specialist they also happened to have an 04 C4s convertible. great spec but it too had the PCCB's
not only did the garage owner have no idea of their reputation, he was also oblivious to the cost of replacement. to my untrained eye the disks didnt look in particularly good nick either. I can well imagine your reasons for the buying decision you have made. when Slippy was having his PCCB problems after the "Reading fiasco" i aired the opinion that as the cars get older the PCCB speccd cars will actually have a lower resale value unless they have been changed to steels or porsche dramatically reduce the price of their pccb parts (but then pigs will truly be flying)
Darren
RSJ said:
Darren
I am glad you agree.
Was fearful of being looked upon as trying to make a quick buck after your initial comment.
Just dont want the liability.
Joel
I am glad you agree.
Was fearful of being looked upon as trying to make a quick buck after your initial comment.
Just dont want the liability.
Joel
Im one of those chaps that if i change something on a car i like to keep the original items so things can be changed back if necessary. what is my taste is not necessarily another mans etc hence the comment..
you are right about the liability and it is something that is only going to get worse as time goes on
Darren
Old topic now of course but i have spoken to a few people who say that trackwork ruins them because people dont apply them in the correct manner.
ie.short hard braking rather than long slow braking which overheats them
Myself also on a track,i tend to do the incorrect thing also of early long slow braking.
Need to garner more bravado and brake later and shorter
ie.short hard braking rather than long slow braking which overheats them
Myself also on a track,i tend to do the incorrect thing also of early long slow braking.
Need to garner more bravado and brake later and shorter
Ceramics are the future for high-performance supercars. All the major manufacturers offer them and Aston Martin are just about to. And, as an option, Porsche's are amongst the cheapest (half the price of Ferrari's).
It's true that there have been failures with early generation pccbs, mainly in track use, that Porsche blamed on mis-use, but there are also plenty of owners who have had no problems and are delighted with them.
Certainly the latest (Gen 3)systems incorporate a lot of improvements to cooling, durability, lightness and front to rear bias. Infact the 997GT3 and 997TT were specifically developed around pccbs. And the benefits are apparent, even in normal road use - awesome, consistant stopping power, no fade, no dust, no rust, no noise, a really significant unsprung weight saving and, hopefully, long life.
It is wrong to generalise about pccbs, based on what may have happened to a few people in the past. 60% of new GT3s and probably a higher % of RSs are leaving the factory with pccbs and the expectation is that they will deliver. I haven't heard of anyone regretting their choice on the latest cars.
And, even in the worst case scenario, they can be easily replaced with new 'steels'.
It's true that there have been failures with early generation pccbs, mainly in track use, that Porsche blamed on mis-use, but there are also plenty of owners who have had no problems and are delighted with them.
Certainly the latest (Gen 3)systems incorporate a lot of improvements to cooling, durability, lightness and front to rear bias. Infact the 997GT3 and 997TT were specifically developed around pccbs. And the benefits are apparent, even in normal road use - awesome, consistant stopping power, no fade, no dust, no rust, no noise, a really significant unsprung weight saving and, hopefully, long life.
It is wrong to generalise about pccbs, based on what may have happened to a few people in the past. 60% of new GT3s and probably a higher % of RSs are leaving the factory with pccbs and the expectation is that they will deliver. I haven't heard of anyone regretting their choice on the latest cars.
And, even in the worst case scenario, they can be easily replaced with new 'steels'.
Geneve said:
Ceramics are the future for high-performance supercars. All the major manufacturers offer them and Aston Martin are just about to. And, as an option, Porsche's are amongst the cheapest (half the price of Ferrari's).
It's true that there have been failures with early generation pccbs, mainly in track use, that Porsche blamed on mis-use, but there are also plenty of owners who have had no problems and are delighted with them.
Certainly the latest (Gen 3)systems incorporate a lot of improvements to cooling, durability, lightness and front to rear bias. Infact the 997GT3 and 997TT were specifically developed around pccbs. And the benefits are apparent, even in normal road use - awesome, consistant stopping power, no fade, no dust, no rust, no noise, a really significant unsprung weight saving and, hopefully, long life.
It is wrong to generalise about pccbs, based on what may have happened to a few people in the past. 60% of new GT3s and probably a higher % of RSs are leaving the factory with pccbs and the expectation is that they will deliver. I haven't heard of anyone regretting their choice on the latest cars.
And, even in the worst case scenario, they can be easily replaced with new 'steels'.
It's true that there have been failures with early generation pccbs, mainly in track use, that Porsche blamed on mis-use, but there are also plenty of owners who have had no problems and are delighted with them.
Certainly the latest (Gen 3)systems incorporate a lot of improvements to cooling, durability, lightness and front to rear bias. Infact the 997GT3 and 997TT were specifically developed around pccbs. And the benefits are apparent, even in normal road use - awesome, consistant stopping power, no fade, no dust, no rust, no noise, a really significant unsprung weight saving and, hopefully, long life.
It is wrong to generalise about pccbs, based on what may have happened to a few people in the past. 60% of new GT3s and probably a higher % of RSs are leaving the factory with pccbs and the expectation is that they will deliver. I haven't heard of anyone regretting their choice on the latest cars.
And, even in the worst case scenario, they can be easily replaced with new 'steels'.
they can be changed for new steels but having paid £8k for the option in the first place i would be a little aggrieved to learn of their demise when Porsche were heralding them as being durable for 100k miles
DucatiGary said:
RSJ said:
to replace them.
£20000 a set.
20k!
twenty k !
tell you what, ill sell anyone who wants a new set for 13k if you want to haggle or a haggle free price of 12k, OPC charge 11k last time I looked.
um...i thought it was a misprint too. but no one is denying it. please tell me they are out by a factor of ten???
softinthehead said:
DucatiGary said:
RSJ said:
to replace them.
£20000 a set.
20k!
twenty k !
tell you what, ill sell anyone who wants a new set for 13k if you want to haggle or a haggle free price of 12k, OPC charge 11k last time I looked.
um...i thought it was a misprint too. but no one is denying it. please tell me they are out by a factor of ten???
according to my OPC a set of disks and pads costs £3500..........per corner!!!!!
plus VAT - thought i would add the VAT bit in small writing to try and lessen the impact
Edited by Wetwipe on Monday 2nd April 17:10
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