quick 997 C2S price on private sale
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think I`ve found my car, been looking since november
C2S 997 55 reg sept. 2005 met seal grey
almost every option possible except. aero kit. listed on invoice at over £75,000, 1 owner only 4,000 miles since new.
I know this car would be £68,000 plus at OPC what would you expect to pay on private purchase
C2S 997 55 reg sept. 2005 met seal grey
almost every option possible except. aero kit. listed on invoice at over £75,000, 1 owner only 4,000 miles since new.
I know this car would be £68,000 plus at OPC what would you expect to pay on private purchase
If you're buying I'd be offering sub 60k. Mine is 55 plate and very heavy on options and with 17k miles I'd look for low 50s for it. There's a ton of highly specced 997s out there at the moment around the 55k mark so its a buyers market.
The seller is probably looking to use the low mileage to bump up the price. However, on 997s forget the mileage. The first service is only at 20k and there really isn't much difference between a 4k car and a 10k car. A decent wash/polish and I guarantee I could get my 17k car into showroom condition.
911s hate not being driven so I'd want to know why the car has only been driven 4k miles in over two years...
The seller is probably looking to use the low mileage to bump up the price. However, on 997s forget the mileage. The first service is only at 20k and there really isn't much difference between a 4k car and a 10k car. A decent wash/polish and I guarantee I could get my 17k car into showroom condition.
911s hate not being driven so I'd want to know why the car has only been driven 4k miles in over two years...
Depending on your negotiating skills I'd be looking for 57k. Again looking at alternatives you could have mine (although not selling) for about 52-53k which is identical age, presumably similar spec but with some more miles. As a sanity check:
Sept 05
Manual
Silver/Blue
12k miles
19 inch SportDesign wheel
Adaptive sports seats
Automatically dimming interior and exterior mirrors with integrated rain sensor
Cruise control
Heated seats
Manual gearbox
Navigation module for PCM
ParkAssist (parking aid rear)
Sport Chrono Package Plus
Windscreen with grey top tint
This car is from an OPC and on for 59k - a good spec (not amazing) so I think your car would have to be totally full spec to achieve 68k at an OPC
What's the warranty situation? If its private sale it can be transferred but its £895 to renew once expired - useful bargaining tool if renewal is coming up soon.
If the car is mint with a warranty then £59k is not a 'steal' but you're not getting ripped off either.
Sept 05
Manual
Silver/Blue
12k miles
19 inch SportDesign wheel
Adaptive sports seats
Automatically dimming interior and exterior mirrors with integrated rain sensor
Cruise control
Heated seats
Manual gearbox
Navigation module for PCM
ParkAssist (parking aid rear)
Sport Chrono Package Plus
Windscreen with grey top tint
This car is from an OPC and on for 59k - a good spec (not amazing) so I think your car would have to be totally full spec to achieve 68k at an OPC
What's the warranty situation? If its private sale it can be transferred but its £895 to renew once expired - useful bargaining tool if renewal is coming up soon.
If the car is mint with a warranty then £59k is not a 'steal' but you're not getting ripped off either.
Erik997 said:
This car is from an OPC and on for 59k - a good spec (not amazing) so I think your car would have to be totally full spec to achieve 68k at an OPC
What's the warranty situation? If its private sale it can be transferred but its £895 to renew once expired - useful bargaining tool if renewal is coming up soon.
If the car is mint with a warranty then £59k is not a 'steal' but you're not getting ripped off either.
Spec wise it`s got all that plus :- which is pretty everything ain`t it??
Sports Exhaust, Adaptive Sports Seat, Telephone Module, Black Leather, 10mm lowered suspension, Standard Carrera S wheels
Edited by forest172 on Tuesday 3rd April 12:06
forest172 said:
Erik997 said:
This car is from an OPC and on for 59k - a good spec (not amazing) so I think your car would have to be totally full spec to achieve 68k at an OPC
What's the warranty situation? If its private sale it can be transferred but its £895 to renew once expired - useful bargaining tool if renewal is coming up soon.
If the car is mint with a warranty then £59k is not a 'steal' but you're not getting ripped off either.
Spec wise it`s got all that plus :- which is pretty everything ain`t it??
Sports Exhaust, Adaptive Sports Seat, Telephone Module, Black Leather, 10mm lowered suspension, Standard Carrera S wheels
Edited by forest172 on Tuesday 3rd April 12:06
Sounds like a nice spec.
Just one comment - the 10mm lowering of the car is the optional sports suspension package that comes with different anti roll bars and firmer damper settings (also comes with a locking rear diff). It deletes the PASM option from the car (ability to switch between two suspension settings). Make sure you get to test drive the car over a variety of surfaces with this option.
No doubt its a great option if you're regularly going to track the car - however, as an everyday option (esp driving on 'normal' roads) it can be too harsh. I use mine every day and rejected it straight away as it would make driving the car daily a major pain. PASM for me is a great option (normal is great for every day and the firmer setting for when I want to behave like a hooligan).
Check out the whole OPC used car stock and you'll probably struggle to find 5% of the cars with this option as its quite unpopular for most people - be aware it may make it difficult to shift the car afterwards.
Sorry for the long reply but please see below the official Porsche explanation. If the car has the sport suspension option then PASM is deleted, meaning that the second button from the left (the one that adjusts PASM suspension settings) is redundant.
Edited: The explanation can be a little confusing for the buttons: the one with the pic of the suspension is for the PASM (it switches between normal and "sport" ). The one actually labelled "SPORT" is for the Chrono. However, just to make it more confusing, pressing "SPORT" automatically engages PASM into "sport" mode which can then be switched off (i.e. you can have Chrono enable for enhanced throttle response but PASM on normal) - hope that makes sense..!!
As mentioned, it means the suspension is non-adjustable and permanently firmer than the normal setting on PASM. For me it was way too harsh (esp driving on crappy London roads) and I dismissed it immediately. For track driving it would be great.
Again, some people like it but make sure you really drive the car over a variety of road surfaces to make sure you can live with it on a daily basis.
Hope it helps:
PASM
PASM is an electronic damping control system. It offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style. PASM is standard on all models with the 3.8-litre engine and optional with the 3.6.
The driver can choose between two setup modes, ‘Normal’ or ‘Sport’, which share a minimal degree of overlap. ‘Normal’ is a blend of performance and comfort, while the ‘Sport’ setup ratings are generally much firmer. In either mode, the system responds to changing loads by automatically applying the optimum rate on each individual damper from a range of pre-defined options.
To do that, PASM uses a series of sensors to monitor the movement of the body, e.g., under acceleration and braking, during cornering manoeuvres as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each of the wheels in accordance with the selected mode. The results are a reduction in pitch and roll as well as consistent roadholding on all four wheels.
If ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the road surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. This adjustment enhances occupant comfort as well as traction and grip. When the road surface improves, PASM automatically reverts to the original, harder rating.
If ‘Normal’ mode is selected, and the car is driven assertively, PASM automatically switches to a harder rating within the ‘Normal’ setup range. As the dampers become stiffer, the car becomes more stable and responds with more immediacy to driver inputs.
Sports Suspension
Available as an extra-cost option on the 911 Carrera Coupé, and no-cost option on the 911 Carrera S Coupé, this all-inclusive package is specifically designed for even greater racetrack performance.
Key features include firmer and lower springs (20 mm lower than standard 911 Carrera, 10 mm lower than PASM-equipped 911 Carrera S), new anti-roll bars with greater torsional strength, and firmer damper settings.
Also included is a mechanically locking rear differential offering greater levels of traction on poor road surfaces or when exiting hairpin bends.
Please note that this option cannot be combined with Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) and is only available in conjunction with a six-speed manual gearbox and 19-inch wheels.
Edited: The explanation can be a little confusing for the buttons: the one with the pic of the suspension is for the PASM (it switches between normal and "sport" ). The one actually labelled "SPORT" is for the Chrono. However, just to make it more confusing, pressing "SPORT" automatically engages PASM into "sport" mode which can then be switched off (i.e. you can have Chrono enable for enhanced throttle response but PASM on normal) - hope that makes sense..!!
As mentioned, it means the suspension is non-adjustable and permanently firmer than the normal setting on PASM. For me it was way too harsh (esp driving on crappy London roads) and I dismissed it immediately. For track driving it would be great.
Again, some people like it but make sure you really drive the car over a variety of road surfaces to make sure you can live with it on a daily basis.
Hope it helps:
PASM
PASM is an electronic damping control system. It offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style. PASM is standard on all models with the 3.8-litre engine and optional with the 3.6.
The driver can choose between two setup modes, ‘Normal’ or ‘Sport’, which share a minimal degree of overlap. ‘Normal’ is a blend of performance and comfort, while the ‘Sport’ setup ratings are generally much firmer. In either mode, the system responds to changing loads by automatically applying the optimum rate on each individual damper from a range of pre-defined options.
To do that, PASM uses a series of sensors to monitor the movement of the body, e.g., under acceleration and braking, during cornering manoeuvres as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each of the wheels in accordance with the selected mode. The results are a reduction in pitch and roll as well as consistent roadholding on all four wheels.
If ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the road surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. This adjustment enhances occupant comfort as well as traction and grip. When the road surface improves, PASM automatically reverts to the original, harder rating.
If ‘Normal’ mode is selected, and the car is driven assertively, PASM automatically switches to a harder rating within the ‘Normal’ setup range. As the dampers become stiffer, the car becomes more stable and responds with more immediacy to driver inputs.
Sports Suspension
Available as an extra-cost option on the 911 Carrera Coupé, and no-cost option on the 911 Carrera S Coupé, this all-inclusive package is specifically designed for even greater racetrack performance.
Key features include firmer and lower springs (20 mm lower than standard 911 Carrera, 10 mm lower than PASM-equipped 911 Carrera S), new anti-roll bars with greater torsional strength, and firmer damper settings.
Also included is a mechanically locking rear differential offering greater levels of traction on poor road surfaces or when exiting hairpin bends.
Please note that this option cannot be combined with Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) and is only available in conjunction with a six-speed manual gearbox and 19-inch wheels.
Edited by Erik997 on Tuesday 3rd April 13:13
Edited by Erik997 on Tuesday 3rd April 13:14
I edited my response above so that should clarify the buttons.
If the car is mentioned as having 10mm lowered suspension then check if it has sports suspension (it could have been manually lowered by its current owner) - its a no-cost option on the Carrera S and so may not appear as a 'cost extra' on the invoice.
If the car is mentioned as having 10mm lowered suspension then check if it has sports suspension (it could have been manually lowered by its current owner) - its a no-cost option on the Carrera S and so may not appear as a 'cost extra' on the invoice.
forest172 said:
so soes the SPORT button change the exhaust note too??
I drove a car the other day with PS Exhaust but no Sport Chrono and the button had pictures of an exhaust on it
I drove a car the other day with PS Exhaust but no Sport Chrono and the button had pictures of an exhaust on it
In most cars with Chrono the SPORT button also activates the PSE. However, you can specify to have a separate button for the function - this is useful for instance on some trackdays where you want to have the Chrono on but the exhaust on 'normal' for noise regs. Unless the car has a specific button for the PSE it will engage when you press SPORT.
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