Dilemna! Help & Opinions needed.
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I will not bore you with the details of the circumstances, suffice to say that in November of 2000, I arrested a prolific scrote after a car chase where they crashed the stolen T5 Volvo estate having been late night shopping at a high class boutique (ram raiders). My colleague had one of his eyes gouged by the other one we caught and I ended up with a black eye and a fairly substantial cut across the bridge of my nose from the resistance that was aimed my way from the one I caught.
My scrote managed to wriggle out of a conviction at court on the ram raid because of a lack of evidence (very good barrister paid for by the good old tax payer). He was convicted of causing me ABH and received a sentence (paltry one at that) including having to pay me £200 compensation for the injury he caused.
Now I am a realist. I know this scrote from old and he has not stopped for the last 2 years being involved in all manner of antisocial property crime. He is a prolific burglar who likes to break in and steal your keys to your pride and joy, then drive it to a handler who provides him with the means to continue his ever increasing dependancy. So being a realist, I never expected to receive the full amount of compensation.
I received this letter from the Local Magistrates Court Service today.
Dear Sir.
compensation awarded on 21st February 2001
Awarded by Magistrates Court against Darren ***** (scrote)
We write in respect of the compensation that was awarded to you to be paid by Darren ****** Scrote. The total amount of the award was £200.00 and at todays date £200.00 remains outstanding.
We are writing to enquire what views you would have if the court were to write off all or part of the balance outstanding. Mr scrote has been granted a residential place in a rehabilitation placement in Plymouth.
The case will next be considered on Friday 23rd May 2003 and we would be obliged if your views could be submitted in time for the hearing.
Yours faithfully
Central Payments Office.
Now I am pleased that Mr scrote is at last being dealt with and that it is going to be well away from where I live (Aren't you lucky Plymouth?
)
My dilemna is
Shall I allow him to escape his obligation when I know he shoves £200 of Crack up his hooter each and every day? as to insist on payment will mean someone forfeiting their car at some stage and that may be a Plymouth PHer.
How do you think the court would deal with me if I told the CSA to shove their £280 every 4 weeks up their ar5e for the next 2 years?
How do you think the court would deal with you lot if you told them to shove their scamera FPT tax up their ar5e for the next 2 years?
Would they write to the FPT office asking how the FPT office may feel on the debt being cancelled?
This is all in a week where I have had to suffer such of the ilk of Darren ****** Scrote on my day off at Castle Combe, have 8 NIPs in my in tray for setting static cameras off (4 on the same camera in under 2 hours) and I cant find the jobs I was sent to for 2 of them, have recieved a letter from the court as in the above and to cap it all, getting home from a really busy shift about an hour ago and some inconsiderate Bastard letting firework rockets off (time now 03.49)
causing my kenneled dogs to bark, thus antagonising the neighbours who will no doubt interupt my beauty sleep mid morning to remind me of the fact they were woken now!
What is a chap to do? ( other than break down and cry!!!!
)
I need some help chaps!
My scrote managed to wriggle out of a conviction at court on the ram raid because of a lack of evidence (very good barrister paid for by the good old tax payer). He was convicted of causing me ABH and received a sentence (paltry one at that) including having to pay me £200 compensation for the injury he caused.
Now I am a realist. I know this scrote from old and he has not stopped for the last 2 years being involved in all manner of antisocial property crime. He is a prolific burglar who likes to break in and steal your keys to your pride and joy, then drive it to a handler who provides him with the means to continue his ever increasing dependancy. So being a realist, I never expected to receive the full amount of compensation.
I received this letter from the Local Magistrates Court Service today.
Dear Sir.
compensation awarded on 21st February 2001
Awarded by Magistrates Court against Darren ***** (scrote)
We write in respect of the compensation that was awarded to you to be paid by Darren ****** Scrote. The total amount of the award was £200.00 and at todays date £200.00 remains outstanding.
We are writing to enquire what views you would have if the court were to write off all or part of the balance outstanding. Mr scrote has been granted a residential place in a rehabilitation placement in Plymouth.
The case will next be considered on Friday 23rd May 2003 and we would be obliged if your views could be submitted in time for the hearing.
Yours faithfully
Central Payments Office.
Now I am pleased that Mr scrote is at last being dealt with and that it is going to be well away from where I live (Aren't you lucky Plymouth?
) My dilemna is
Shall I allow him to escape his obligation when I know he shoves £200 of Crack up his hooter each and every day? as to insist on payment will mean someone forfeiting their car at some stage and that may be a Plymouth PHer.
How do you think the court would deal with me if I told the CSA to shove their £280 every 4 weeks up their ar5e for the next 2 years?
How do you think the court would deal with you lot if you told them to shove their scamera FPT tax up their ar5e for the next 2 years?
Would they write to the FPT office asking how the FPT office may feel on the debt being cancelled?
This is all in a week where I have had to suffer such of the ilk of Darren ****** Scrote on my day off at Castle Combe, have 8 NIPs in my in tray for setting static cameras off (4 on the same camera in under 2 hours) and I cant find the jobs I was sent to for 2 of them, have recieved a letter from the court as in the above and to cap it all, getting home from a really busy shift about an hour ago and some inconsiderate Bastard letting firework rockets off (time now 03.49)
causing my kenneled dogs to bark, thus antagonising the neighbours who will no doubt interupt my beauty sleep mid morning to remind me of the fact they were woken now!
What is a chap to do? ( other than break down and cry!!!!
) I need some help chaps!
madcop,your not thinking 'old fashioned bobby' enough!
stitch him up,good and propper!!,plant a few 9oz bars of hash(southend police got 90 X 9 oz bars in a raid a couple of weeks ago,shame to only use them as evidence only once!!)cut them into 1/8ths,plant them in his house/car/garden/whatever and get him done for intent to supply.no judge will believe that it wasnt his if he has previous for drugs.......................this sentence a few 9 bars,next sentence a few key's of charley(courtesy of your drug storage locker at work,if you dont have enough,no doubt slough/reading should have enough to 'help' a fellow officer!!)
just a thought.the runt needs capping......hmmmmm......maybe the a.r.v team could help......banana's look like yellow guns....well,sort of.....in a way.....
hope you get the scrote!
>> Edited by cortinaman on Thursday 1st May 06:36
stitch him up,good and propper!!,plant a few 9oz bars of hash(southend police got 90 X 9 oz bars in a raid a couple of weeks ago,shame to only use them as evidence only once!!)cut them into 1/8ths,plant them in his house/car/garden/whatever and get him done for intent to supply.no judge will believe that it wasnt his if he has previous for drugs.......................this sentence a few 9 bars,next sentence a few key's of charley(courtesy of your drug storage locker at work,if you dont have enough,no doubt slough/reading should have enough to 'help' a fellow officer!!)
just a thought.the runt needs capping......hmmmmm......maybe the a.r.v team could help......banana's look like yellow guns....well,sort of.....in a way.....
hope you get the scrote!
>> Edited by cortinaman on Thursday 1st May 06:36
Don't let him get away with it!
Don't worry yourself over him stealing another car to pay his dues as he's probably going to steal another one regardless.
Makes me sick b'stards like him - makes me wonder why I bother to work and pay my taxes to support such scum.
Hope the wound heals quickly and I hope you gave as good as you got (in the act of self defence
)
Don't worry yourself over him stealing another car to pay his dues as he's probably going to steal another one regardless.
Makes me sick b'stards like him - makes me wonder why I bother to work and pay my taxes to support such scum.
Hope the wound heals quickly and I hope you gave as good as you got (in the act of self defence
)Madcop. Would it be the 'done' thing for you to climb down in this situation ? My instant and gut reaction to your post is let the ba$tard have both barrels. You will probably never get the cash anyway but stand your ground ..... For yourself and for the rest of us. These lowlife scumbags deserve as much grief as they dish out. If he get let off then what do you think his reaction will be ? "Oh thanks Madcop ! I see the error of my ways. I'm a reformed person now and help old grannies to take out their garbage" ..... Dont think so.
Make the scrote pay up. £200 is a pitence as compenstation for any personal injury. Scrotes like this always seem to get away with doing as they please. 
A few years ago I was assaulted (ABH) by a scrote, and he was ordered to pay a wopping £125 compensation. I never received a penny, all I got was a letter 6 months after he was sentence saying he had failed to pay up, and it "was not in the public's interest" to pursue him for it.
I hope the other scrote got a harsher sentence, but I doubt it is one that he really deserves.
Make the tosser pay!
A few years ago I was assaulted (ABH) by a scrote, and he was ordered to pay a wopping £125 compensation. I never received a penny, all I got was a letter 6 months after he was sentence saying he had failed to pay up, and it "was not in the public's interest" to pursue him for it.
I hope the other scrote got a harsher sentence, but I doubt it is one that he really deserves.
Make the tosser pay!
I would stick in there for the compensation, not for the financial gain but for the principal.
In addition a scathing letter would be returned to the court-appointed numpty who sent the original letter raising issues such as responsibility, credibility, respect for the law, upholding convictions unless chaos is allowed to ensue.
In addition a scathing letter would be returned to the court-appointed numpty who sent the original letter raising issues such as responsibility, credibility, respect for the law, upholding convictions unless chaos is allowed to ensue.
Agree with the rest of the comments here - assaulting a police officier is NOT acceptible and therefore the award of £220 is a joke. However, even though the amount is small, he should be made to pay it...
You can try and dodge your responsibilities, but I am afraid when you come 'clean' you have to take them all on the chin... therefore he has to pay the £220 to you... And lets be honest, you are in a better position than most to get the money, so dont let the scrote get away with it....
Cheers,
Paul
You can try and dodge your responsibilities, but I am afraid when you come 'clean' you have to take them all on the chin... therefore he has to pay the £220 to you... And lets be honest, you are in a better position than most to get the money, so dont let the scrote get away with it....
Cheers,
Paul
Nasty experience, madcop, and I'm glad PHers have the opportunity to repay you for the advice you've offered over the years. So even though I can see your dilemma, in the end I agree that even if he is exonerated from having to pay the tiny compensation, he'll probably nick cars anyway.
So go get your pittance, it really is the very least you deserve from scrotes like that, and good luck.
So go get your pittance, it really is the very least you deserve from scrotes like that, and good luck.
Go after him.
I went to small claims over some money, and never got all of it. The only reason I didn't persue it, was the wife was scared he might do some thing stupid.
I would also put in for interest. You should be able to get it deducted from his giro.....
I also tend to think that some psycological revenge is in order, may not be as satisfying as physical, but much longer lasting/more difficult to prove.
Sparks
I went to small claims over some money, and never got all of it. The only reason I didn't persue it, was the wife was scared he might do some thing stupid.
I would also put in for interest. You should be able to get it deducted from his giro.....
I also tend to think that some psycological revenge is in order, may not be as satisfying as physical, but much longer lasting/more difficult to prove.
Sparks
Is there any chance you could pursue the "debt" in another way ? There must be some way to get money that has been awarded by the courts. Small claims etc. Appreciate this may be more work but definitely think you should go for it.
Sorry to hear you were in this situation in the first place.
Sorry to hear you were in this situation in the first place.
I think i speak for us all PHer's, when i say you have our total support, what ever you decide to do.
Claim the money, youre entitled to it. You put yourself on the line and they offer a paltry sum, and then they allow Mr D Scrotum to walk.
Think about it like this, whether or not you claim the money, is it gonna make any difference as to his behaviour? I seriously doubt it.
You at least have the morals that have made you question if you should have the money, simply cos it may end up affecting another innocent person.
Mr Scrote dosent! He dont lose a moments sleep no matter how many people he hurts.
I personally think you should take the money, it was awarded fair and square to you mate.
As for the nips...DONT SIGN EM!!!.....only joking mate
Hope youll have a better day, tell me what Mway, at what time, and ill do the "speeding motorist" thing for ya, ok? Laterz mate, dont let it get to ya.
Claim the money, youre entitled to it. You put yourself on the line and they offer a paltry sum, and then they allow Mr D Scrotum to walk.
Think about it like this, whether or not you claim the money, is it gonna make any difference as to his behaviour? I seriously doubt it.
You at least have the morals that have made you question if you should have the money, simply cos it may end up affecting another innocent person.
Mr Scrote dosent! He dont lose a moments sleep no matter how many people he hurts.
I personally think you should take the money, it was awarded fair and square to you mate.
As for the nips...DONT SIGN EM!!!.....only joking mate
Hope youll have a better day, tell me what Mway, at what time, and ill do the "speeding motorist" thing for ya, ok?
Laterz mate, dont let it get to ya. Steve, you have my greatest sympathy. During my recent dealings with Thames Valley Police over the assault and stabbing of my dog, I have been amazed by the apparent way that Police Officers are expected to undertake one of the most stressful and difficult of careers with one hand tied behind their backs and the other welded to a pencil. I'm amazed that the force manages to retain any officers at all. I understand why you may feel that, for the sake of £200, it isnt worth the aggro and that you have a million better things to do with the time. I'd implore you to stick at it for the principle though - even if the bastard scrote has to repay you at 20p a month until he's drawing a pension.
Don't take it up the a
e on this one. Stand your ground.
I'm in full agreement with other PH'ers this one, a good scathing letter about respect for the law, punishments becoming a joke etc would be a good way.
As you said in your original message give them the example of what they would propose to do if you stopped paying the CSA.
You might never see the cash, but don't let him get away with it - he'll just laugh at you. Don't know if you can get it deducted from his Giro + interest for non-payment to date, but it's worth investigating.
You could also give your colleagues in Plymouth a heads-up so they know what's coming. Should speed up him getting nicked again.
If your neighbours cause a fuss remember you didn't set off the fireworks, you've done nothing wrong here.
After this a nice glass or two of red wine and a browse of the forums and you should be bakc on top of your game again. A shitty day, but remember the support you have on PH.
All the best
Chris
e on this one. Stand your ground. I'm in full agreement with other PH'ers this one, a good scathing letter about respect for the law, punishments becoming a joke etc would be a good way.
As you said in your original message give them the example of what they would propose to do if you stopped paying the CSA.
You might never see the cash, but don't let him get away with it - he'll just laugh at you. Don't know if you can get it deducted from his Giro + interest for non-payment to date, but it's worth investigating.
You could also give your colleagues in Plymouth a heads-up so they know what's coming. Should speed up him getting nicked again.
If your neighbours cause a fuss remember you didn't set off the fireworks, you've done nothing wrong here.
After this a nice glass or two of red wine and a browse of the forums and you should be bakc on top of your game again. A shitty day, but remember the support you have on PH.
All the best
Chris
Among all the other priorities you have (personal, work etc) chasing settlement of this £200 might seem like it shouldn't figure. Presumably this type of situation affecting police officers is going on all over the country, all the time. I'm amazed that the organization that represents police officers (?UNISON?) hasn't taken this on to apply some pressure so that it's not up to the individual to have the stress and anguish that you are going through.
This country is becoming far too lenient and protectionist towards criminals through some miss-placed sense of political correctness mixed in with human rights. Bo$$ocks to that, I say!
I think the sense of the country is that the majority would expect 'scrotes' to be held to account whether it's £200 or 20p. You probably can't do this but it would be a great topic for the media - I can see some great "Law and Order" angles in your situation.
How about stoking your MP up a bit? I'm sure he/she would love to get in the limelight on this one - whatever the colour of their party.
Hope you got some sleep and it looks better in the morning (or afternoon or whenever you wake up!)
Hutch
This country is becoming far too lenient and protectionist towards criminals through some miss-placed sense of political correctness mixed in with human rights. Bo$$ocks to that, I say!
I think the sense of the country is that the majority would expect 'scrotes' to be held to account whether it's £200 or 20p. You probably can't do this but it would be a great topic for the media - I can see some great "Law and Order" angles in your situation.
How about stoking your MP up a bit? I'm sure he/she would love to get in the limelight on this one - whatever the colour of their party.
Hope you got some sleep and it looks better in the morning (or afternoon or whenever you wake up!)
Hutch
A tough job well done...
Insist on the money. It will no doubt come out of his giro for the next twenty years. Think of it this way, every time he has to make a payment it will stick in his guts like a knife (metaphorically speaking) knowing that it is going to a copper.
Ah yes the sweet taste of revenge.
Trust in karma - a deeply unpleasant end awaits.
Alternatively, we could have a PH whip round and send him on a 'rehabilitation' holiday to sunny Saudi Arabia. I understand the penalties there for being a thieving scrote tend to stop you doing it again, and from picking your nose.
Insist on the money. It will no doubt come out of his giro for the next twenty years. Think of it this way, every time he has to make a payment it will stick in his guts like a knife (metaphorically speaking) knowing that it is going to a copper
. Ah yes the sweet taste of revenge.
Trust in karma - a deeply unpleasant end awaits.
Alternatively, we could have a PH whip round and send him on a 'rehabilitation' holiday to sunny Saudi Arabia. I understand the penalties there for being a thieving scrote tend to stop you doing it again, and from picking your nose.
How are you expected to do your job under the normal conditions thesedays? Let alone when the pikeys are basically given a boost-up over the wall by all these new PC/sympathy bullshit.
I really have had enough of this shit, and all I'm doing is reading about it, you and others are directly affected.
I wouldn't let him get away, it may not be much compensation, but the principles involved should make sure that this guy pays.
I take my hat off to you for staying an officer of the law for so long, through all this crap and against the odds. I know I wouldn't last more than a week without quitting or smacking one of those scallies.
I really have had enough of this shit, and all I'm doing is reading about it, you and others are directly affected.
I wouldn't let him get away, it may not be much compensation, but the principles involved should make sure that this guy pays.
I take my hat off to you for staying an officer of the law for so long, through all this crap and against the odds. I know I wouldn't last more than a week without quitting or smacking one of those scallies.
Steve, I often wonder what keeps good cops like you going, the system is screwed, a victim stays a victim regardless.
I would stick to your guns and write a disparaging letter to those concerned mentioning the scrote's track record, the lack of effect the legal system has on these pondlife and that £200 barely scratches the surface
I would stick to your guns and write a disparaging letter to those concerned mentioning the scrote's track record, the lack of effect the legal system has on these pondlife and that £200 barely scratches the surface
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