Buying a bike from the US

Buying a bike from the US

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Original Poster:

1,164 posts

227 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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has anyone here bought a bike from the US and had it shipped over?
I've found a Scott Scale Ltd and as current exchange rates, it's £1,000 cheaper than anywhere in the UK.

How much do you think I'd get charged in duty?
Do you think this is worthwhile option?

mat205125

17,790 posts

214 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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Eagerly watching as the parental units are planning a holiday in SoCal later in the year, and want to know what customs are likely to say to a pair of retirees returning from their hols with loads of shiny Ti and Carbon in their hand luggage.

snotrag

14,465 posts

212 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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I've jut covered this in the P&P in an exchange rate thread...

but yes, it most probably will be worth while.

Pay for the bike plus shipping. Thene when it arrives you will be charged VAT plus an import duty. Import duty is dependent on the product, a list of the different rates is on the customs and excise site. IIRC for a bike its about 20%.

This will be worked out on the value of goods PLUS shipping.

Worth bearing in mind that individual bike parts fall into a lower bracket than a complete bike... ahem...

The bill will either come direct from customs, or the delivery company will send you it.

But still, worth it.

snotrag

14,465 posts

212 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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Oh, and if you fancy an adventure - find a bike shop near an airport and get them to order in your bike.

Book cheap flights - Fly out with an old bike. Arrive, chuck it in skip. Go to shop, buy new bike. Post all the paperwork to a mate at home.

Fly back with 'one bike' just like you flew out with.


I am not condoning this, its just an option you may wish to follow...!

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Original Poster:

1,164 posts

227 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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snotrag said:
I've jut covered this in the P&P in an exchange rate thread...

but yes, it most probably will be worth while.

Pay for the bike plus shipping. Thene when it arrives you will be charged VAT plus an import duty. Import duty is dependent on the product, a list of the different rates is on the customs and excise site. IIRC for a bike its about 20%.

This will be worked out on the value of goods PLUS shipping.

Worth bearing in mind that individual bike parts fall into a lower bracket than a complete bike... ahem...

The bill will either come direct from customs, or the delivery company will send you it.

But still, worth it.


I've just checked, and the store offers free global shipping on bikes over $2500.
So it seems that this route will be cheaper.

snotrag

14,465 posts

212 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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Thats a good deal then as the shipping won't be cheap!

In which case just order it as usual. Await the extra bill nad budget for it, and if it doesn't turn up, as it sometimes doesn't, then bonus.

Just one thing you may not have thought of - Not sure about Scott in Particular having never dealt with their UK guys, but you will likely find they won't handle any warranty claims you may have - you will have to deal with the US ditributors.

A gamble you may have to take, and depends on the individual company.

Certainly though you should be in line to save a few quid - Just make sure you order the right size!

fourmotion

1,026 posts

221 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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Another thing to check with the shop is that they are allowed by the manufacturer to ship the bike internationally.

I wanted to order a Santa Cruz, but the bike shops I emailed would not ship to the UK as Santa Cruz would not allow them.

mat205125

17,790 posts

214 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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snotrag said:


Worth bearing in mind that individual bike parts fall into a lower bracket than a complete bike... ahem...



As discussed in another thread on here somewhere, most "proper" bike shops do not sell bikes with pedals so they can avoid wasting money on reflectors and bells that are required with a complete bike.

I wouldn't bother ordering a full bike.

Invoice would need to be written to illustrate what you are buying is not a complete bike.

beyond rational

3,524 posts

216 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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Is the old bike to throw needed if you "use" the new one when you are there? (well just get it dusty)

Obviously posting the paperwork...

pdV6

16,442 posts

262 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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beyond rational said:
Is the old bike to throw needed if you "use" the new one when you are there? (well just get it dusty)

Obviously posting the paperwork...

AIUI yes - the idea is that you take your old bike out with you and, er, bring (*cough*) the same one back.

beyond rational

3,524 posts

216 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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I'm just wondering if using it would knock the import duty down (4.5% parts/15% complete bike + VAT @17.5%) because you could claim it was second hand, but then I suppose you would need a receipt for that lower value...all getting a bit dodgey


Edited by beyond rational on Tuesday 24th April 16:18

mat205125

17,790 posts

214 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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beyond rational said:
I'm just wondering if using it would knock the import duty down (4.5% parts/15% complete bike + VAT @17.5%) because you could claim it was second hand??


Do I see a PH weekend away in Marin County California coming up? bounce

pdV6

16,442 posts

262 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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beyond rational said:
I'm just wondering if using it would knock the import duty down (4.5% parts/15% complete bike + VAT @17.5%) because you could claim it was second hand, but then I suppose you would need a receipt for that lower value...all getting a bit dodgey

No - the dodgy plan is that you take your bike out with you and then bring "it" back again i.e. no import duty because you didn't buy it abroad. Honest

Well dodgy.

mat205125

17,790 posts

214 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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pdV6 said:
beyond rational said:
I'm just wondering if using it would knock the import duty down (4.5% parts/15% complete bike + VAT @17.5%) because you could claim it was second hand, but then I suppose you would need a receipt for that lower value...all getting a bit dodgey

No - the dodgy plan is that you take your bike out with you and then bring "it" back again i.e. no import duty because you didn't buy it abroad. Honest

Well dodgy.


.... however the question remains valid that if you were to import a used MTB (legally - ish), would the duty be less?

pdV6

16,442 posts

262 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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mat205125 said:
pdV6 said:
beyond rational said:
I'm just wondering if using it would knock the import duty down (4.5% parts/15% complete bike + VAT @17.5%) because you could claim it was second hand, but then I suppose you would need a receipt for that lower value...all getting a bit dodgey

No - the dodgy plan is that you take your bike out with you and then bring "it" back again i.e. no import duty because you didn't buy it abroad. Honest

Well dodgy.


.... however the question remains valid that if you were to import a used MTB (legally - ish), would the duty be less?

I guess the duty would be less because the price you paid for it 2nd hand (with receipt to prove) would be that much lower. As to whether they'd consider it a complete bike or collection of parts, I imagine that would boil down to whether it it was built up or broken into parts for transport.

LRdriver II

1,936 posts

250 months

Tuesday 24th April 2007
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Also whether the frame is painted or not will affect the duty rate. Luckily my Litespeed frame wasnt painted (brushed Ti) so got off lighter.

pombstard

6,789 posts

243 months

Wednesday 25th April 2007
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fourmotion said:
Another thing to check with the shop is that they are allowed by the manufacturer to ship the bike internationally.

I wanted to order a Santa Cruz, but the bike shops I emailed would not ship to the UK as Santa Cruz would not allow them.


I discovered the same - Santa Cruz, Yeti, Intense, and many others don't allow their dealers to deliver outside the US. Not sure about Scott, but I think they're the same - a friend's just bought one from San Francisco and had to go there to pick it up. Luckily for him, business paid for his flight - not all of us are that lucky.

pastrana72

1,721 posts

209 months

Wednesday 25th April 2007
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wow, you are brave getting a scale limited from the us, i wish you good luck and hope the shippers do not chuck it around to much, also warrenty could be fun as the uk guys could choose not to be as helpful as if you had bought it from a uk outlet.

have you done the deal yet?

As you could get a deal on a scale limited in this country, pm if you want info as i would be happy to pass it on,

if not, i do wish you good luck, scale limited is a stunning bike with fantastic kit.

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Original Poster:

1,164 posts

227 months

Wednesday 25th April 2007
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No, I haven't done the deal yet - I emailed the store for more info and haven't heard back from them which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

I'd be interested to learn of any deals available. The Scale Ltd is indeed an amazing bike, but the only prices I've seen so far are £3,700. I can't justify spending quite that much on a bike without getting some serious grief from the other half.

* edit for spelling


Edited by option click on Wednesday 25th April 15:33

pastrana72

1,721 posts

209 months

Wednesday 25th April 2007
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pm me if you want more info, my friend is a scott dealer and scott always do deals at the end of the year when 08 bikes are due, depending on what stock sizes are still avalible,but scale limiteds tend to be in demend so can tend to sell out quickly in the very popular sizes, i know some of the other top of the range bike stock is very limited.

He does supply through mail order as well and can offer 36 month 0% finance ( Subject to Status), and is a really knowledgable guy. if you want to investigate further i can pass on his site details.