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The Dude

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6,546 posts

278 months

Friday 27th April 2007
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I recently resited the wireless router and network/internet performance seems to have deteriorated. I just did a few ping tests to the router (Netgear DG834PN) from my Macbook, 100 pings at a time. Here's an average set of results;

100 packets transmitted, 86 packets received, 14% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.923/1.208/3.599/0.446 ms

Worst case I saw was 23% packet loss and that was with the laptop in exactly the same place in the house.

Should I be getting better performance than that (I'm in the same room as the router at the moment, about 30 feet away from it with the Macbook)?

zumbruk

7,848 posts

291 months

Friday 27th April 2007
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14% packet loss with line-of-site to the router is absolutely pathetic. Sorry.

ThePassenger

6,962 posts

266 months

Friday 27th April 2007
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I'm currently hammering my wireless network and sent 100 pings to google.com.

ping said:

100 packets transmitted, 98 received, 2% packet loss, time 99011ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 29.749/41.360/151.020/20.299 ms


2% loss with the WiFi and net connection going flat out... acceptable. Not brilliant but acceptable. I'd start wondering why your packet loss is so high personally.

The Dude

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Friday 27th April 2007
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ThePassenger said:
I'm currently hammering my wireless network and sent 100 pings to google.com.

ping said:

100 packets transmitted, 98 received, 2% packet loss, time 99011ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 29.749/41.360/151.020/20.299 ms


2% loss with the WiFi and net connection going flat out... acceptable. Not brilliant but acceptable. I'd start wondering why your packet loss is so high personally.


I am wondering. Any ideas?

I've just tried moving the router away from any other electrical equipment, tried changing the channel (tried 1,2,10,11 & 12 - 11 seems to be the best) and also tried pinging from a different computer (Mac Mini in another room).

Results - pretty much the same.

(Just pinged google.com, same as you, to get a comparison -
--- google.com ping statistics ---
100 packets transmitted, 86 packets received, 14% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 123.943/127.223/157.580/3.519 ms )



Edited by The Dude on Friday 27th April 17:10

tycho

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304 months

Friday 27th April 2007
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Can you scan for other networks on the same channel?

The Dude

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Friday 27th April 2007
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tycho said:
Can you scan for other networks on the same channel?


I can and because there was 3 other networks on channel 11 I moved to 5 but I still get between 10% and 20% packet loss.

Could it be my router is faulty?

tycho

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Friday 27th April 2007
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The Dude said:
tycho said:
Can you scan for other networks on the same channel?


I can and because there was 3 other networks on channel 11 I moved to 5 but I still get between 10% and 20% packet loss.

Could it be my router is faulty?



Isn't there an option for "use network robustness" in the Airport menu? Try toggling that as it may be causing problems with the router. Not too sure what it does though....

Plotloss

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301 months

Friday 27th April 2007
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The Dude said:

Could it be my router is faulty?


More likely to be the computer, I'd say

zumbruk

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291 months

Friday 27th April 2007
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The Dude said:

(Just pinged google.com, same as you, to get a comparison -
--- google.com ping statistics ---
100 packets transmitted, 86 packets received, 14% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 123.943/127.223/157.580/3.519 ms )


Grief. I just pinged Google from my Lenovo X60, via Linksys dumb access point about 20 feet away and Cisco router to Tiscali broadband;

Ping statistics for 66.249.93.99:
Packets: Sent = 100, Received = 100, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 34ms, Maximum = 203ms, Average = 47ms

That's what I would expect....

The Dude

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Friday 27th April 2007
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Plotloss said:
The Dude said:

Could it be my router is faulty?


More likely to be the computer, I'd say


Not that I'm going to rise to that but I've tried it on my Macbook, one of the MacMinis and her indoor's Powerbook and it's pretty much the same story on all of them.

The Dude

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Friday 27th April 2007
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tycho said:
The Dude said:
tycho said:
Can you scan for other networks on the same channel?


I can and because there was 3 other networks on channel 11 I moved to 5 but I still get between 10% and 20% packet loss.

Could it be my router is faulty?



Isn't there an option for "use network robustness" in the Airport menu? Try toggling that as it may be causing problems with the router. Not too sure what it does though....


I'd just tried that before you replied and it...erm...doesn't seem to make any difference at all (I'm not sure what it's supposed to do either)

ThePassenger

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266 months

Friday 27th April 2007
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The Dude said:
Plotloss said:
The Dude said:

Could it be my router is faulty?


More likely to be the computer, I'd say


Not that I'm going to rise to that but I've tried it on my Macbook, one of the MacMinis and her indoor's Powerbook and it's pretty much the same story on all of them.


I'd suggest power cycling the router and trying different settings (channel, B + G, G only, etc.) see if it improves.

The Dude

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Saturday 28th April 2007
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Interestingly, I connected to the neighbour's wifi and did the same test:

100 packets transmitted, 100 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.925/1.615/9.916/1.260 ms

It's got to be my router that's knackered then, surely?

The Dude

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Saturday 28th April 2007
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Bought a new router and it's cured the problem.

FrootBat

602 posts

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Sunday 29th April 2007
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Numpty question time - how do you ping Google, or anywhere else? confused paperbag

ThePassenger

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Sunday 29th April 2007
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FrootBat said:
Numpty question time - how do you ping Google, or anywhere else? confused paperbag


Applications > Accessories > Terminal
ping -c 100 www.google.com

The Dude

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Sunday 29th April 2007
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ThePassenger said:
FrootBat said:
Numpty question time - how do you ping Google, or anywhere else? confused paperbag


Applications > Accessories > Terminal
ping -c 100 www.google.com


Or on a proper computer, Utilities->Network Utility->Ping