Forward facing cameras....
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Just confirming something here, those average speed/SPECS type cameras that are currently installed on the M1 between J4 and J5 and also further up in the Luton roadworks; they obviously face forward so presumably they read the front plates of the tin boxes so that means that they can't get us bikers right? I'm just checking in case they have some kind of sneaky back up cameras on the rear of the others ones!
I apologise is this is a re-post, I had a quick look but couldn't see anything.
Also worth noting; I read in a car magazine that, even if you are in a car, they can't monitor your average speed if you aren't in the same lane when you pass the camera as you were past the previous camera...any truth in that? Apparently they are trying to develop cameras that can cope with multiple lane changes.
I apologise is this is a re-post, I had a quick look but couldn't see anything.
Also worth noting; I read in a car magazine that, even if you are in a car, they can't monitor your average speed if you aren't in the same lane when you pass the camera as you were past the previous camera...any truth in that? Apparently they are trying to develop cameras that can cope with multiple lane changes.
. It came out a little while ago and even the SCP's admitted it, before saying that you shouldn't change lanes for that reason though 
Not trying to be funny here but if the cameras are in road works then why not be really radical and actually stick to the limit! They are kind of there for a reason...
Everyone speeds now and again but I think that in road work situations speed limits should be pretty strictly enforced.
Everyone speeds now and again but I think that in road work situations speed limits should be pretty strictly enforced.
I agree that there should be measures to protect the workforce in roadworks, however mile after mile of 40mph is just taking the pi$$.
Be careful with the average speed cameras, down on the A2 heading out of London the first set (past Bluewater) are forward facing only, the 2nd set (past Gravesend) are set to face forawrd and rear with multiple cameras on each post.
Scary thing is all the posts look fairly permanent!
Be careful with the average speed cameras, down on the A2 heading out of London the first set (past Bluewater) are forward facing only, the 2nd set (past Gravesend) are set to face forawrd and rear with multiple cameras on each post.
Scary thing is all the posts look fairly permanent!
Twit said:
Not trying to be funny here but if the cameras are in road works then why not be really radical and actually stick to the limit! They are kind of there for a reason...
Everyone speeds now and again but I think that in road work situations speed limits should be pretty strictly enforced.
Everyone speeds now and again but I think that in road work situations speed limits should be pretty strictly enforced.
Oh dear.
Norfolk n'chance said:
Twit said:
Not trying to be funny here but if the cameras are in road works then why not be really radical and actually stick to the limit! They are kind of there for a reason...
Everyone speeds now and again but I think that in road work situations speed limits should be pretty strictly enforced.
Everyone speeds now and again but I think that in road work situations speed limits should be pretty strictly enforced.
Oh dear.
black-k1 said:
Twit said:
Not trying to be funny here but if the cameras are in road works then why not be really radical and actually stick to the limit! They are kind of there for a reason...
... and the reason is?
Are you guys being deliberately factitious or do you actually believe you can hammer along at unabated speeds where workmen are actually working on the roads?
FourWheelDrift said:
black-k1 said:
Twit said:
Not trying to be funny here but if the cameras are in road works then why not be really radical and actually stick to the limit! They are kind of there for a reason...
... and the reason is?
Are you guys being deliberately factitious or do you actually believe you can hammer along at unabated speeds where workmen are actually working on the roads?
The only reason I know for the placement of speed cameras in roadworks (or anywhere else that they are currently placed) is for 'revenue generation'. I was simply wondering if there was another reason!
Edited by black-k1 on Wednesday 2nd May 10:01
Not just revenue generation, if there are workers working on the roads.
I was only speaking from 2nd hand experience. My brother-in-law is a RAC man and he's not too happy to be stopped on the M1 when someone needs help and the traffic is blasting past at close quarters. So I could only imagine what the workers put up with all day if the limits weren't in place.
I was only speaking from 2nd hand experience. My brother-in-law is a RAC man and he's not too happy to be stopped on the M1 when someone needs help and the traffic is blasting past at close quarters. So I could only imagine what the workers put up with all day if the limits weren't in place.
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Wednesday 2nd May 10:40
FourWheelDrift said:
Not just revenue generation, if there are workers working on the roads.
I was only speaking from 2nd hand experience. My brother-in-law is a RAC man and he's not too happy to be stopped on the M1 when someone needs help and the traffic is blasting past at close quarters. So I could only imagine what the workers put up with all day if the limits weren't in place.
I was only speaking from 2nd hand experience. My brother-in-law is a RAC man and he's not too happy to be stopped on the M1 when someone needs help and the traffic is blasting past at close quarters. So I could only imagine what the workers put up with all day if the limits weren't in place.
The issue is that the governments own figures (always skewed in favour of camera use) have shown that accident rates INCREASE in roadworks areas where cameras are installed so they obviously can't be there for safety reasons. I my mind that only leaves revenue generation.
Twit said:
Not trying to be funny here but if the cameras are in road works then why not be really radical and actually stick to the limit! They are kind of there for a reason...
Everyone speeds now and again but I think that in road work situations speed limits should be pretty strictly enforced.
Everyone speeds now and again but I think that in road work situations speed limits should be pretty strictly enforced.
But you only question the validity of the above statement after you have driven for 20 miles down the M6 at 3am at 30mph because that is the enforced limit and as you look around there is not a workman to be seen, and your one of 3 cars within a mile of each other.
20 Miles @30mph average... thats almost a hour to do the same distance that would normally take 15 - 20 minutes at "Normal" motorway cruising speeds.
If there are work men working, Yes show down. I agree 110%, but what we need is common sence. The continent have seemed to realise this ... Thats why they have a flashing orange light at intersections allowing people to proceed if all is clear rather than the traditional British way of keeping people at a dead junction for up to 5 minutes when there is bugger all traffic
jvaughan said:
Twit said:
Not trying to be funny here but if the cameras are in road works then why not be really radical and actually stick to the limit! They are kind of there for a reason...
Everyone speeds now and again but I think that in road work situations speed limits should be pretty strictly enforced.
Everyone speeds now and again but I think that in road work situations speed limits should be pretty strictly enforced.
But you only question the validity of the above statement after you have driven for 20 miles down the M6 at 3am at 30mph because that is the enforced limit and as you look around there is not a workman to be seen, and your one of 3 cars within a mile of each other.
20 Miles @30mph average... thats almost a hour to do the same distance that would normally take 15 - 20 minutes at "Normal" motorway cruising speeds.
If there are work men working, Yes show down. I agree 110%, but what we need is common sence. The continent have seemed to realise this ... Thats why they have a flashing orange light at intersections allowing people to proceed if all is clear rather than the traditional British way of keeping people at a dead junction for up to 5 minutes when there is bugger all traffic
Totally agree with these points made!
I drove the M1 SPECS enforced roadwork section on Good Friday in both directions.. painfully slow and irritating @ no more than 40mph for over 4miles or something. This requires more effort in speedo watching than driving/riding quickly.
Of course being good friday just how many workmen do you think were actually on site?
Edited by sjtscott on Wednesday 2nd May 12:10
In response to the OP's first question, I think it looks as though there are no forward-facing cameras on the M1 between junctions 4 and 5. Bikes would therefore appear to be "immune".
I do think that common sense should prevail - as per the posts above it is not a good idea to scream past workmen who are actually doing stuff. There have been a couple of times, however, when I have been incredibly frustrated at having to sit behind someone doing 49mph in the contra-flow, with no other vehicles in front of them nor even any workmen on the site!
I do think that common sense should prevail - as per the posts above it is not a good idea to scream past workmen who are actually doing stuff. There have been a couple of times, however, when I have been incredibly frustrated at having to sit behind someone doing 49mph in the contra-flow, with no other vehicles in front of them nor even any workmen on the site!
Edited by theturbs on Wednesday 2nd May 13:15
FourWheelDrift said:
Norfolk n'chance said:
Twit said:
Not trying to be funny here but if the cameras are in road works then why not be really radical and actually stick to the limit! They are kind of there for a reason...
Everyone speeds now and again but I think that in road work situations speed limits should be pretty strictly enforced.
Everyone speeds now and again but I think that in road work situations speed limits should be pretty strictly enforced.
Oh dear.
black-k1 said:
Twit said:
Not trying to be funny here but if the cameras are in road works then why not be really radical and actually stick to the limit! They are kind of there for a reason...
... and the reason is?
Are you guys being deliberately factitious or do you actually believe you can hammer along at unabated speeds where workmen are actually working on the roads?
Yes, I was thinking the same...
The A14 between Huntingdon (A1) and the M11 used to have quite a few Gatsos and Truvelos on it (not a problem as they never moved them and were well signposted) but now they have put in SPECS instead, and not for any roadworks it seems. That can only be for revenue generation in my book!
Fortunately at the moment they've ripped up the Gatsos and Truvelos but the SPECS isn't in use yet, so there's a free for all - except for all the tw@ts who haven't realised and are trawling along at 60 blocking the road.
Buck
Fortunately at the moment they've ripped up the Gatsos and Truvelos but the SPECS isn't in use yet, so there's a free for all - except for all the tw@ts who haven't realised and are trawling along at 60 blocking the road.
Buck
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